CORRECTION:ARTICLE ON GERMAN PASTOR LERLE RETRACTED

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[ahayes]

Here are some translated excerpts:

But it does not fit contemporary history which says that no Germans died in gas chambers on German soil. In order to come up with the number six million, the number of deaths in the occupied territories had to be increased. Thus four million in Auschwitz died. However this number is also decreasing, which starts to look like a whitewashing operation. The inconceivably large number of four million raises the question of consistency with some laws of nature (e.g. with the properties of execution agent Zyklon B, the size of the gas chambers, the duration of the gassings, including the necessary ventilation of the chambers, the capacity of the incinerators, as well as the unknown location of the 15,000 tons of ash from the incineration of the corpses).

. . .

The confession of the camp commander Höss is considered to be proof for the gas chambers. This [confession] was produced, however, by British torturers. Confession of alleged witches under torture, which also violate the laws of nature, are not now considered proof that witches can fly, for example, through the air on brooms. Why do we believe the torture-confession of Höss, when confessions from the time of the witch-myth are not believed? Why has not a single concentration camp prisoner, convicted of false statements, been punished for perjury?

. . .

Tourists could visit the original gas chambers in Auschwitz. Subsequently an American villain stole a sample of rock, which did not show elevated values of Iron cyanide, and it because known the gas chambers were reconstructions. The original gas chambers being reconstructions compellingly proves that we were deceived also over Auschwitz.

. . .

If those who call themselves Jews, thus became heathens who reject Jesus Christ, then their criminal energy is described in the aforementioned passages. Jesus’s words about the “Jews” are in agreement. If Christ, in his later youth, of Nathanael said “see, a true Israelite, in whom there is no guile”, then that meant the Israelite was usually wrong, so that Nathanael stood out from his compatriots, like a white raven.

. . .

The murderous deeds in no way stopped with Jesus’s death. So the “Jews” stoned Stephen, because they felt hurt when he, based on the Old Testament, proved Jesus was the promised Messiah. So they stand in the tradition of the murderers of prophets, because they now had become murderers of the Messiah long promised by the prophets. (Acts 6:9 – 7:56). According to Jesus’s prediction (Matt. 10:17), the persecution of the first Christians proceeded mostly from the synagogue (many verses). The first Christians were considered to be Jewish sects. The fact that the Romans could differentiate between “Jews” and Christians, so that only the Christians were thrown to the wild beasts in the circus, while the “Jews” were given religious liberty, shows who was behind the persecution.

. . .

Why did America intervene in the Second World War? The Jew-controlled propaganda media played up Hitler's crimes and agitated for a crusade at Stalin's side for democracy and for religious liberty. Why didn't America fight together with Hitler against Stalin? After all, Stalin's body count was many times Hitler's. Also Stalin, in contrast to Hitler, was not democratically legitimized, and he granted less religious liberty than the much-maligned German dictator. But such facts were concealed at that time in by the World-Jewry controlled propaganda press. That the people whom Jesus Christ called "liars", "hypocrites" and "murderers", are long gone, does not mean that their spiritual descendants are not murderers. The opposite is constantly being confirmed. Both Iran and Iraq threatened the state of Israel. So "jewish"--dominated America at the time of President Reagan supported the later much maligned Saddam Hussein in his war of aggression against Iran, with satellite photography and weapons, including war gas. That war cost approximately a million human lives. If it is not murder to push two peoples to war with each other, then what is murder?

(Emphasis mine, translations done by Right Wing Professor.)

[puroresu]

Well, I always respected Right Wing Scientist when he was here. He was always willing to debate forcefully and honorably. I accept his translations without question.

But after reading his attitude toward pre-natal life, I’m glad he’s teaching chemistry and not biology! :-)

[puroresu]

#####Well, I always respected Right Wing Scientist when he was here.#####

That should be Right Wing Professor. Forgive my error, I’m still not recovered from several months sidelined with a medical emergency. :-p

[Nextrush]

Thanks for the translations.

Based on some glancing over the German, his writings embraced a wide range of topics other than the Holocaust ones and I ran out of time to look deeper into them.

I really am impressed with LifeSiteNews.com and their ability to admit a mistake so openly and quickly.

They are out front with hard-hitting and accurate stories. The record of LifeSiteNews puts the MSM to shame since MSM mistakes are rarely admitted. Even when they do, the MSM does so under extreme pressure and often with less prominence than the original mistake.

[Tarkin]

The dominance of opinions like Lerle’s were responsible for the death of millions only 60 years ago.

The dominance of opinions like Mao's/Lenin's/Stalin's etc. were responsible for the death of tens of milions only 20-80 years ago. And yet we tolerate communist parties (hell, the communists even took part in some post-WW II french governments) and peple who endorse communism.

[ahayes]

It was not our people who killed them.

[GodGunsGuts]

I think it more accurate to say that they used his holocaust revisionism as an excuse to silence and punish his pro-life activities. And soon they will be doing the same to Creationists/IDers, and God knows who else:

http://salemvoice.org/news188.html

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56420

[GodGunsGuts]

==While I am strongly inclined to disagree with it and hope with time these restrictions are lifted, I can understand why these laws were passed.

When people are no longer capable of separating facts from opinions, they can no longer make HONEST judgements. And if, furthermore, they are unwilling to apply principles in a consistent way, and instead apply them SELECTIVELY (i.e. only when it suits their purposes) then democracy will become a pipedream. Hence, we have here the spectacle of modern ‘westerners’, like yourself and Schaveiger, pretending to be ‘democrats’ and yet advocating the selective banning of opinions, i.e. the freedom of (political) speech of opponents.

It does not matter what Mr Lerle thinks and says. What matters is that today he can be convicted in a German court for SAYING what he thinks, and not for any illegal DEEDS. You may think he is a “bigot”, and maybe he is. So what? I think you are a “bigot” too, but I would never condone a court punishing you for your ‘speech’ or opinions.

A “bigot” is a label, and anyone can SUBJECTIVELY hang such a label on anyone else. That is precisely why in genuine democracies there is freedom of (political) speech, because - unlike in autocracy - the law should never be implemented in an ARBITRARY way. If one can lock up people simply for expressing opinions (on which one can hang labels like “racism”, “insult” etc...), how is that different from islamic regimes hanging labels like “anti-islamic” or “blasphemous” on political opponents’ necks, or from the old communist regimes sending “enemies of the people” (read “enemies of the party”) to gulags?

Whether Mr Belien is “propagating a falsehood”, or not, is absolutely insignificant compared to you (and Schaveiger) helping to further undermine the very ‘tenuous’ remnants of ‘democracy’ in Europe today. There can be no genuine democracy without freedom of political speech. Belien MAY be propagating an insignificant falsehood, but you ARE propagating intolerance and nondemocracy (where a ruling orthodoxy perpetuates its rule by ‘silencing’ unorthodox opinions).

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2211

[ahayes]

You may think he is a “bigot”, and maybe he is.

I find it rather appalling that you can say "maybe" of this. Well, ok, maybe if you were someone whose opinions I respected I would find it appalling, but as it is it just gives me one more reason to laugh.

[Steve_Seattle]

Where - in fact - have they [atheists] "often done" so [punished religious belief]?

Throughout most of the 20th century - in Bolshevik Russia, the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Romania, Spain (just prior to the Spanish Civil War) and elsewhere. Atheists killed hundreds of thousands, actually millions, of Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. Also in France, in the aftermath of the French Revolution. In most of these places, religious schools were confiscated, churches and temples were closed or destroyed, monks, priests, and nuns were imprisoned or executed, and the open practice of religion was banned.

[tpaine]

- shall we therefore give atheists the right to criminalize religious belief?

No one can constitutionally criminalize religious belief in the USA.

Throughout most of the 20th century - in Bolshevik Russia, the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Romania, Spain (just prior to the Spanish Civil War) and elsewhere. [socialists] Atheists killed hundreds of thousands, actually millions, of Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. Also in France, in the aftermath of the French Revolution. In most of these places, religious schools were confiscated, churches and temples were closed or destroyed, monks, priests, and nuns were imprisoned or executed, and the open practice of religion was banned.

Yes, and we in the USA, atheists & believers alike, have consistently fought against socialism.
-- It will never happen here, and your effort to tie fanatical socialists to the non-religious in America is nothing but hyperbole.

[Nextrush]

The European and Canadian speech laws regarding the Holocaust are wrong.

This story and its retraction are strictly related to Lerle being punished for pro-life statements.

Lerle has written expressing his doubts about the Nazi atrocities.

He should be free to do so, but LifeSiteNews doesn’t deal with that issue.

Of course I don’t agree with his doubts about the Nazi atrocities. His writing about Nazi atrocities reminds me of those who want to deny 9/11. Those ideas are off my radar screen.

But as always I strongly believe in free speech and the holocaust speech laws are wrong.

[puroresu]

There is a double standard. Mark Steyn wrote a great column a couple of years ago on Dalton Trumbo, an admittedly talented screenwriter who was also a totally devious little Stalinist punk. Steyn noted that even though Trumbo was an apologist for Stalin, one of history’s great mass murderers, he’s treated with reverence in Hollywood.

Trumbo is invariably described in hagiographic biographies as a “pacifist”, even though he dropped his pacifism immediately when Hitler warred against the Soviet Union. In fact, Trumbo wrote some great pro-World War II screenplays. But he did this AFTER the collapse of the Hitler-Stalin Pact. Before the collapse, he was a (ahem) “pacifist”. And once Hitler was defeated and the Cold War began, he became a “pacifist” again.

There’s clearly a double standard in which supporters of certain bloodthirsty butchers are justifiably treated with disdain and even legal sanction, but supporters of “politically correct” bloodthirsty butchers aren’t.

A similar pattern is emerging regarding Muslims in Europe. I believe the EU suppressed a report on anti-Semitic attacks a couple of years ago when the report revealed that most such attacks originate with Muslims and not white neo-Nazis.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens when the Muslim population of Europe is large enough to demand laws against abortion, homosexuality, and the teaching of evolution. Christians demanding such things earn disdain and even threats of EU sanction, but I expect the secularists to melt like an ice cube on a hot day when Muslims are powerful enough to enact such laws. Should be fun to watch.