New "Pantsyr", anti-aircraft system provided to Syria by the Russians Capable to defend an area of 20 km long / to fire 12 missiles to 12 targets per second against airplanes, helicopters, tanks and drones
Posted on 09/11/2007 3:46:29 AM PDT by drzz
Sources close to the Israeli army told the MENA, an israeli press agency, that the IDF bombed Syria with massive strikes last week, as the world still ignores it and told us it was just an "incident".
Actually, the IDF lauched a long-prepared operation. It has been several signs since the Spring of 2007 that Syria could launch a war against Israel in a near future.
Last week, the IDF sent a team of F-15 which bombed several sites of high importance in Syria.
Quietly, without any knowledge from the rest of the world, the IDG seriously weakened the Syria military forces by a SINGLE operation.
According to Jean Tsadik, from the MENA, the operation last week was as important as the Osirak operation, in which the IDF destroyed a nuclear factory held by Saddam Hussein in the 1980's.
We didn't learn that in the news, but Israel just won a terrific victory against Syria last week.
I’m doubtful. Airstrikes and secondary explosions are difficult to muffle. All the major powers would know in hours and officials “leak”. We’d have had rumors in 24 hours.
There are so much rumors about those strikes that I have troubles to give all of them to you.
Summarize :
- the planes were not Israeli but Americans
- the planes were not Israeli but Arabs
- the panes were Israeli but targeted iraqi jihadists
- the planes were Israeli and targeted Hezbullah
- they were no planes and this story is made up by Syria
They launched missiles. What were the targets ?
Are YOU saying that Israel bombed Syria?
Or are you just reporting these "anonymous sources"?
Quietly, without any knowledge from the rest of the world, the IDG seriously weakened the Syria military forces by a SINGLE operation.
Somehow I don't believe that LongNeck Assad is capable of being quiet about anything.
“Or are you just reporting these “anonymous sources”?”
Not anonymous. The Metula News Agency is an Israeli-based press agency which has several ties with the IDF.
Among the writers of the MENA are several Israeli high-ranked people, a former adviser of Ronald Reagan and even members of the American Amerian Enterprise Institute.
Their website is : www.menapress.com
Not anonymous. The Metula News Agency is an Israeli-based press agency which has several ties with the IDF.
This certainly looks like anonymous sources to me:
Sources close to the Israeli army told the MENA
Syria aknowledged this morning that Israel “had fired missiles on Syrian soil”.
Interestingly, Syria didn’t ask the UN to blame Israel for the attack not the UE.
Assad had just his ass kicked really badly.
My guess is that you will see Syria becoming really kind in the coming weeks.
This is the War on Terror, folks. The greatest victories are rarely known.
Are you suggesting that an informator in the IDF would give informations about a secret operation and give HIS NAME along ?
Have you ever been in the army ?
I'm still skeptical - how is it he's capable of being quiet?
Is he dead?
Even if his whole AF went up in blue smoke, he'd be ringing the UN's doorbell.
No, I'm just suggesting that people in the service will sometimes (sometimes, I said, a la Scott Beauchamp) say whatever they feel like saying, under cover of anonymity.
I still don't see how/why Assad would be quiet about it.
New "Pantsyr", anti-aircraft system provided to Syria by the Russians Capable to defend an area of 20 km long / to fire 12 missiles to 12 targets per second against airplanes, helicopters, tanks and drones
According to the same source, the “Pantsyr” could be a terrible weapon if used against IDF jets during operations, against Syria or Iran.
(Al-Saphir)
“I still don’t see how/why Assad would be quiet about it.”
An Arabd dictator is only quiet when he is suddenly weak. Check Syria’s behavior prior to the IDF raid and after.
I repeat : Syria didn’t ask the UN or the UE to blame Israel for the raid. Doesn’t sound strange to you ?
But he is not.
Agreed. So why not?
Yes, it sounds strange, which is exactly what makes me skeptical.
Because he is scared. That’s the point. An Arab dictator which has lost expensive weaponry during a single raid of the enemy is scared.
This is how it works in the Middle East. Assad is confused because he has been defeated. In every other option, he would have blamed Israel and rushed for war.
Well, I certainly hope you're right.
“Not anonymous. The Metula News Agency is an Israeli-based press agency which has several ties with the IDF.”
I dont doubt the sincerity with which you posted this info, but given the sources affiliations with the IDF, then such reports must be questioned a little.
There has been sabre rattling between these two since the ‘end’ of their war and the annexing of the Golan Heights by Israel. There is little doubt that Israel holds the stronger military (it has nukes, so its one of the strongest!), but Syria has the capacity for assymetrical warfare.
The story sounds like propaganda to me, but that isn’t to say that there isn’t an element of truth in it.
The Altavista Babel Fish Translation of this page:
The Syrian minister of the AE: the planes of the Israeli Air Force HAVE CAR OF the MISSILES ON OBJECTIVES ON the GROUND (information # 011109/7)
© Metula News Agency
© Metula News Agency
06h 25 local,
For Syria, it is not already any more question of a simple overflight of its territory by the apparatuses of Hei’ L Avir. Yesterday, at the time of a press conference given in Turkey, Mr. Oualid Muallem, admitted that “the Israeli planes of war which violated the Syrian airspace last week launched projectiles on the Syrian ground”.
Muallem added that “Israël had used true ammunition during a deliberated and hostile attack”.
The Syrian minister also met the European diplomats in station in Ankara, their trustful what could appear surprising of first access: “the decision of Israel not to comment on the incident, considering the circumstances, is suitable”.
With the reading of the revelations contained in the article of Jean Tsadik of yesterday As extremely as the destruction of Osirak, the Syrian position is, on the contrary, obvious. Just like is the decision of Damas not to ask the European Union to condemn Israel for its attack, nor to submit the incident to the Security Council of UNO.
How, indeed, to complain about the destruction of chemical and bacteriological weapons of which detention and the use are prohibited by the International Conventions? It is obvious that if Damas required a judgment of the Hebrew State by the international authorities, Jerusalem would provide the photographs of its attack as well as the details of the objectives which it destroyed.
The European ambassadors declared, after their meeting, which they had reached the conviction that Syria would not try reprisals following the Israeli raid.
As for Turkey, Ména learned that the principal object of the visit of Muallem consisted in requiring of the government of Ankara if it had taken part, by a logistical support and the opening of its airspace for the Israeli apparatuses, with the raid of last Wednesday. The Turks, obviously very slackened, affirmed with their interlocutor “that they would not help Israel to attack Syria”.
Ali Babacan, the Turkish Minister for the Foreign Affairs, distilled this somewhat sibylline but very diplomatic message: “All the States of the area must make watch of respect towards the sovereignty of all the countries and avoid the acts which cause tensions. If not, the tensions could swell and the peace and the stability of the area could suffer from it “.
In Metula, one notes, on the contrary, that the Israeli raid made return Syria to better feelings, that the risk of an immediate military confrontation completely disappeared and that Jerusalem any more but does not speak to skim its device on the heights of Golan.
Tuesday 11 September [ 03:57:00 BST ]
As extremely as the destruction of Osirak (information # 011009/7)
By Jean Tsadik
© Metula News Agency
Then here is, last, the fighter-bombers of Hei’ L Avir were Wednesday not satisfied to fly over the territory of Béchar Al Assad...
September 14, 1973, is less than three weeks before the release of the War of Kippour, the Israeli Air Force sent a dozen its planes to make a turn on the side of Lattaquié. Lattaquié is the principal port of the small coastal band by which Syria reaches the Mediterranean. Wedged between Turkey and Lebanon, this zone contains all that the country has of industries, to start with its refineries, to its factories and its warehouses of armaments of massive destruction.
In spring and in summer 73, rumours had run as for the reception by Syria and Egypt of new ground-to-air Soviet missiles, which would have a démoniaque effectiveness. For the Hebrew State, it was thus vital to go to touch these systems, initially, to make sure that they indeed had been delivered and integrated by the enemy armies, then, to test their real dangerosity, and finally, to allow the equipment of measurement, embarked on ships posted in front of Lattaquié, to apprehend their operating mode.
But to reach that point, it was necessary that the Syrians light the radars and the electronic instruments of guidance of SAM, then that they draw some against the apparatuses from Hei’ L Avir (the Israeli Air Force).
The best means of arriving for this purpose, thought one of the state major de Tsahal, it was to send a consequent number of planes, in formation of attack, against the pupil of the mode of Hafez Al Assad, the strategic zone of Lattaquié.
Vis-a-vis of the threat of Phantom, one of Kiria ,the center of command of the army thought, located in full heart of Tel-Aviv, if Assad had these new rockets, it would be well inspired to use them.
The operation took place, but the Syrians, surrounded by Soviet strategists, did not use by their new missiles. In place and place, they sent their best pilots, on their best planes, with the meeting of Phantom. In a true carnage resulted, which proceeded above the floods of the Mediterranean: 13 Mig-21 were cut down in a few minutes, sacrificed by Syria to the plans of the War of Kippour which it was preparing. But by sacrificing these true Kamikazes, the dictatorship alaouite had sent two messages disconcerting to the strategists of Tsahal: 1) it did not have new SAM whose the world spoke about the information and 2), by the scuttling of the spearhead of its aviation, if he it had had some, Syria would have used them.
This operation coincided with one of the most famous intoxications of the history of the modern military information. With the Israeli staff, one made the fatal error to underestimate his adversary; one believed the too stupid and too proud Syrians to rather send their pilots to the breakage-pipe than to cut down some planes carrying blue star of David on their fuselage. In fact, the Israeli army goba fully two assumptions that the men of Al Assad and their Soviet advisers had concoctées to them. In the weeks which followed, the aviation of the Hebrew State was going to pay at the full price the effects of the vanity of its strategists: it was going to lose more than one hundred apparatuses, in near total cut down by these missiles “which did not exist”.
The current period resembles in many points that which prevailed in September 1973. Even period of the year. Even warlike tension at the border, same rumours as for the delivery by Russia, in Syria and Iran, of a new ground-to-air missile: Pantsyr-S1E, in French, the “shell”.
According to experts’, it would be a question this time of the most formidable machine to cut down planes ever imagined by the man. It would completely defend a 20 kilometers length surface, until a 10 000 meters height. Pantsyr is able to launch - even while its conveyors are moving - 12 missiles, which can be fixed on two targets at the same time, at a rate of twelve targets a second. It is effective against all the planes, drones and helicopters, but also against the cruise missiles, and even against targets on the ground, standard light armoured tanks.
And to crown the whole, the Russians engaged near their customers on what Pantsyr was imbrouillable: thanks to radars functioning simultaneously in multiple modes, of the optical systems of control of shooting as well as plurispectraux radars, it was not to be possible, for the electronic instruments of countermeasures embarked on the aircraft, to prevent, distort or divert the shootings of this monster.
A conveyor of Pantsyr
With, in premium, its two guns of 30mm. in action.
Imbrouillable?
Obviously, per hour when they plan to attack the Iranian arms factories, it was essential for Israel and the United States to be able to record the electron emissions of Pantsyr in action, and to measure its effectiveness counters apparatuses equipped with the most advanced countermeasures at disposal of the forces of the good.
There was no question of repeating the error of September 1973: this time, one was not going to be satisfied to fly over Lattaquié, one was going straightforwardly to tackle strategic objectives inside the Syrian territory. And to be certain results which one was going to obtain, one was going to choose the most invaluable targets with the enemy. Those to which one was sure that the Syrians would affect the first ten Pantsyr systems which they had received, on the 50 that they ordered.
In Ména, we do not have any information coming from the ground, of the official Israelis or even Syrians. We are, however, by stepping of information circulating in the public domain, in measurement to risk our reputation, conscious that, in a few days or a few months, the facts will be known of the public and that us will be judged on parts:
Then here is, last, the fighter-bombers of Hei’ L Avir were Wednesday not satisfied to fly over the territory of Béchar Al Assad, like that was known as. The planes tackled the launch sites of Scud A, B, C and D, which correspond to the centers of storage of the nonconventional weapons, chemical and bacteriological.
I had abundantly described these bases, photographs with the support, in an article Iran and Syria is sent in the air of June 2005. This article also contains the driving bond towards description, by my Lebanese fellow-member Michaël Béhé, of another attempt to tackle the program of nonconventional weapons Syrian [ to read “Immense explosion in a Syrian factory!” ]. It was already, at the time, exclusive information disseminated by our agency.
With judging some by the reactions of the ones and others, these gigantic bases were put out of state to harm. These reactions are, initially, the absolute dumbness of the governmental and military bodies - extremely rare fact - in Israel. The ministers, with whom one withdrew their portable telephones, yesterday, with the entry of the weekly Council of Ministers! The military censure, which warned all the editors of the media not to speak about what they know of the event.
The warning message sent, simultaneously with the operation, according to Ehoud Ya’ ari, most reliable of our fellow-members analysts, with the Syrians: “There cannot be small wars, or actions, Hezbollah style. Any Syrian attack, was it partial, would be pushed back by Tsahal by using all the power at its disposal.”.
Monday 10 September [ 13:20:00 BST ]
the article...
Enjoy.
Confirmation by the AFP minutes ago :
an American military official says Israel raided Syria to warn Assad that he had to stop funding Hezbullah.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411388088&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull says that:
Israel’s alleged incursion into Syrian skies last week included a strike on what was likely to have been Iranian arms transferred to the country, CNN reported on Tuesday afternoon. According to the news network, a ground operation was also part of the overall foray.
CNN claimed that the operation was largely aerial but also had comprised of ground components, left “a great hole in the desert.” Although CNN did not cite a specific source, the network gave credence to “US government officials.” The report said the IAF targets were likely to be weaponry delivered by Syria which was intended for the use of Hizbullah.
Keeping with its policy of not commenting on the alleged flyover of Syrian territory, senior officials in the Prime Minister’s Office refused to comment on the CNN report. Syria denied that ground troops had participated in the alleged operation.
Syria complained to the United Nations about Israeli “aggression,” saying Israeli warplanes dropped munitions in Syria, the country’s ambassador to the UN said.
Syria’s UN ambassador, Bashar al-Jaafari, said Damascus made its complaint in two letters to the UN secretary general and the president of the Security Council. The letters said the Israeli action also was in violation of the 1974 disengagement agreement that was reached after the Yom Kippur War.
The letters warned that “continuing to disregard denunciation of this act could result in consequences that no one knows its limits,” according to al-Jaafari. He said Syria awaits a stand from UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon “that would hold Israel responsible and demands that it ceases” such acts.
“They were fleeing and in order to speed up the planes they dropped the munitions,” he said, speaking to The Associated Press from New York.
He said he had no further details on the incident, but denied news reports that Israel had landed troops on the ground inside Syria. “This is absolutely not true,” saying the reports were an attempt to show that Israel could land troops wherever it wants.
“Israel is seeking military escalation. We are exerting efforts so that we don’t fall into this trap. We are dealing with the matter with utmost keenness, precision and responsibility,” he added.
Further, the report said the US was pleased with the alleged sortie, which it said, sent a “clear message” to the region.
The target was near the Iraqi border. It is almost certain that it was targeted to stop the cross border smuggling of weapons and possibly guerrillas.
“They were fleeing and in order to speed up the planes they dropped the munitions,” he said, speaking to The Associated Press from New York.
Baghdad Bob's evil twin?
Israeli Media Confirms IAF Struck Near Euphrates (last week)
So when does Israel bomb Iran? That is what I want to know!!!
Perhaps Israel gets Syria while the US gets Iran. That babel fished article claims the Israel's took out armed and ready Syrian Chem and Bio WMD Scud's. If you look at the picture of the alleged Syrian base attacked, that Octagonal building to the right appears to have some roundish possible launch hatches in its roof. Of course there is also the CNN story claiming that Israel destroyed Iranian Weapons on their way to Lebanon. Perhaps the geniuses at CNN would like to explain why it was easier to destroy those 'Iranian' weapons deep within Syria instead of destroying them upon arrival in Lebanon ?
On the other hand I do try to keep an open mind about such things. ;)
That picture is of the facility that the Russians took some of the nuclear and chemical weapons components to just prior to the liberation of Iraq from Saddam.
At the top middle is the entrance to an underground storage facility. (where the two lateral shadows are).
refreshing your memory
The story lives!
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