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1 posted on 11/10/2007 11:25:52 AM PST by theothercheek
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Our rights are God-given and implanted within us. They're not dependent on the placement of a comma for their existence.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 11/10/2007 11:28:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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What part of “...shall not be infringed.” do they not understand?


4 posted on 11/10/2007 11:33:03 AM PST by tsomer
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Many people are vulnerable to physical force; a gun in the hands of a responsible citizen is the equalizer.


6 posted on 11/10/2007 11:34:20 AM PST by ricks_place
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I always thought the comma’s in the Second Amendment, meant AND
8 posted on 11/10/2007 11:36:00 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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A better question might be what does "the people" mean. If you are talking about any other part of the Bill of Rights that has been taken to mean an individual right.

Only in the Second Amendment, when interpreted by gun grabbers, does "the people" refer to some collective right.

9 posted on 11/10/2007 11:36:16 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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While pin heads on the Liberal side argue if a comma means that I have the right to bear arms, I have a large caliber punctuation maker they can collect.

This is what we get if we follow the road of a “living, breathing Constitution:....because when they rip one part of it out, they will rip it all apart...IF we let them.

Meadow Muffin

10 posted on 11/10/2007 11:36:43 AM PST by rwgal
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There are only 2 ways to look at it:

1 The right to bear arms depends on the militia;
2 The militia depends on the right to bear arms.

How can any literate person read 2A and not see which one is the correct reading?

That said, I’m sure sorry they phrased it that way, but how could they know that 200 years of progress would make so many fools?


12 posted on 11/10/2007 11:37:54 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Call me a pro-life zealot with a 1-track mind.)
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Are Our Second Amendment Rights Hanging On A Comma?

Wrong question. "Are Constitutional limitations preventing government from violating our right to self-defense hanging on a comma?"

Government has no power to give rights and no authority to take them. When that principle is overthrown our Constitution has been overthrown. At that point I will still be a sovereign individual and the government will be an outlaw.

13 posted on 11/10/2007 11:38:01 AM PST by TigersEye (I'm voting for Duncan Hunter. Nominee or not.)
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IBrp. RIP.


14 posted on 11/10/2007 11:38:18 AM PST by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

“A Box of Jelly Donuts, being necessary to feed Elvis, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

It means exactly the same thing reguardless of the reason the founders gave for putting it in.


15 posted on 11/10/2007 11:40:08 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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Wonder what would happen if it went the way of Prohibition? Black market guns, right? The value of which would increase a thousand fold ... BTW, read where there are 99 guns per 100 population ... try taking them ....


16 posted on 11/10/2007 11:40:51 AM PST by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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I think they should forget the commas and look for 'original intent'.

The slightest bit of reading of the Founders' contemporaneous statements on bearing arms would instantly disabuse folks of any thought that they only envisioned the 2nd as a collective right.

17 posted on 11/10/2007 11:42:02 AM PST by Bob
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btt


20 posted on 11/10/2007 11:48:30 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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Lets see:

A militia in good order, being necessary for the security of a free society, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I can see the confusion. /s

21 posted on 11/10/2007 11:49:52 AM PST by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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My right to bear arms is constrained only by some fools willingness to come to my door to collect mine.


23 posted on 11/10/2007 11:53:11 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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This is the one true talent of the left - splitting hairs (and communities). If you’ve engaged one of them on a blog that is advanced beyond pure vitriol, you’ve been witness to the hyper-parsing that they enjoy.

They live to slice those commas! No matter how clear and unambiguous a quote, a citation, or a statute is, they “discover” nuances in the language and exploit it to fracture the common understanding (see Roe v. Wade).

It happens every day and on every subject, and our most sacred traditions like the US Constitution is their greatest target with the 2nd Amendment being the holy grail.

They will never stop the assault so we must never stop our vigilance.


24 posted on 11/10/2007 11:55:33 AM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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"On every question of construction, [let us] carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
(Bergh, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, 15:449.)
Thomas Jefferson
25 posted on 11/10/2007 11:58:10 AM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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Breaking the debate down to the meaning of commas is nothing but desperation by the gun grabbing liberals. All anyone has to do is read the writings of the Founders as well as the political thought of that era to know they believed in the sacred right of individuals to keep and bear arms.


27 posted on 11/10/2007 12:01:40 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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I am one of many to have gone and specifically checked for it on the original document at the National Archives.

The spacing of the words makes it seems that they did indeed goof and add an extraneous comma. But it is very difficult to confirm.

The best I could do under the ambient light, the handheld camera I had, and the press of the line behind me, is this...

Unfortunately, photobucket converts to a jpg, but I hope that it's clear that there's a gap, but the lead-in of the "s" in "shall" takes up much of that gap. Is there really a comma, or is that just the lead-in to the "s" character?

28 posted on 11/10/2007 12:04:30 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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They want our guns. Period.

We must never concede on their assaults to our natural rights!


29 posted on 11/10/2007 12:06:02 PM PST by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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