Arizona Weighs Bill to Allow Guns on Campuses

From Sea to Shining Sea ^ | 3/6/08 | Purple Mountains

[PurpleMountains]

This is not a good idea. My friends know that I possess a concealed-carry permit and own guns, and that I am a staunch defender of every law-abiding American’s 2nd Amendment rights, but the people who want permit-holders to carry guns on campus are not thinking clearly.

First, let me say that both extremes are wrong: designating gun-free zones in areas like a college campus obviously does not work and invites disaster.

[the OlLine Rebel]

So you oppose government always requiring people to disarm at court buildings and various major gov complexes?

Government-run or not (and many are state government), each organization/group/etc still has the right of association. That includes e.g., me excluding you from bringing a gun or your smokes in my home. Doesn’t matter you have a natural right to bear arms or smoke; I have a natural right to exclude you or your items on my property.

[the OlLine Rebel]

The irony here is that there should not even BE a “requirement” for any permits at all.

CCW is to me, an infringement on rights to bear arms. There is no “licensing” required in the real natural world. That is what CCW is - and why does it have to be “concealed”? Seems to me “out in the open” is alot better deterrent.

[Poser]

“Seems to me “out in the open” is alot better deterrent.”

You’ve got that right. We have a couple of guys here in NH that regularly hold “open carry cleanup days.” They pick a neighborhood and clean it up while carrying firearms.

I think they have educated the local police in their area.

[trussell]

I had hoped I wouldn’t put you on edge with my comment. I know you meant nothing against CCW holders.

It is the ones who carry that haven’t gone through the CCW process that is dangerous to society...I believe you are correct that not many 18 year-olds would hold a CCW license, but if they did it would mean they were able to pass the test and the background checks to become licensed.

I have several firearms, all loaded, none under lock and key. My kids know they don’t mess with them unless there is a good reason to. If I were being attacked, my daughter knows it would fall to her to help...my son is trained to use the .25, my daughter can use the .25 semi, .45 semi, and the 9mm. She’s not really comfortable with the .44 special yet.

They have both gone through the training for Eddie Eagle, and my daughter has been a participant in the Junior NRA since she was 10.

I know I don’t have to worry about either one of them using a gun in a bad way...they have been brought up to respect guns...knowing what they are capable of!

[MacDorcha]

Actually, no such “right to smoke” is implied in the Constitution.

And if it’s a State government run school, guess what? They ratified the Constitution.

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

A person’s house is NOT signitory to the Constitution, but the representatives in the State are.

And FWIW: Guns are allowed in courthouses. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070521_1_A1_hDist56332

And the weapons limitations laws didn’t have ANY backing until 18 USC 922, enacted in mid 1980’s. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C44.txt

(Yes, that includes limitations on bringing them into federal or state government buildings)

You have a personal Right to restrict anything you want- within your own property and given the implied consent of the person being denied said rights.

We are talking about government institutions, one’s that are supposed to be held to the laws set forth by the Founding Fathers. These laws were set in place to limit government, not people.