The Right Weapon for the Job

The AnarchAngel ^ | March 16, 2005 | Chris Byrne

[Squantos]

DOD will procure replacements until a replacement is decided upon. SOP. Contract is not up till mid 2009 per my info. I have no personal knowledge of tests underway as I am retired now and not in the arena. If ya have inside infor you can share without compromise to sensitive data or your position please share if you determine such can be put on an open forum.

Above all else don’t spill any secrets if ya have em goes without saying.

I am out for the evening........Stay safe !

[Ajnin]

Winshester soft points were used and the round never left his body. The round went in over his right pectoral muscle just below his collar bone. It fragmented and as you can see caused catastrophic damage

[Travis McGee]

I like that short fat grendel case. How’s it feed in standard 30round mags?

[a_chronic_whiner]

Oh [blush], no secrets to spill on this end. I’m just a civvy heading off to the army this summer. I go to the range on and off, but never really touched an AR before. After basics, I doubt I will ever have to carry a gun again for my job. My cousin on the other hand, he’s got infantry in his blood. Anyways, thank you for the heads-up and thank you for your service to our country.

God Bless

[Lurker]

Throwing rocks at men armed with rifles is extremely stupid.

L

[Ajnin]

It’s suspected the smuggler thought the agent was armed with a pepperball launcher and didn’t mind taking a few shots. Another agent on scene had a pepperbal launcher and had expended all his rounds. A third agent on scene that day had to shoot at the smugglers with a 12gauge because they wouldn’t let agents render assistance to the first dumbass.

[Lurker]

They should have let him bleed out where he lay.

L

[Squantos]

Well you take care and CYA !!!

STAY SAFE !!!!

[Squantos]

I tried the apollo remember ? Never a burp for sustained rate of fire.

I would love too see a narrow case without the shoulders that uses a better powder to keep that projo truckin along at 6.5G speeds. A 240 Weatherby in a SCAR platform sort of deal where 40 rounds would be the norm in a mag a wee bit bigger than an M1A mag maybe. Wider maybe yet not as tall.

[neverdem]

thanks, bfl

[archy]

I will admit I'd never heard of the .45 Super. It sounds to me like a problem in search of a solution.

At the time [early 1970s] a couple of pals of mine were big-time experimenters with the .45-plus concept, which to my mind mostly resulted in a .45ACP that recoiled more, had more muzzle blast, and was harder on brass. I got to do a good bit of the testfiring, using both handloads made from 7.62 Nato brass and factory experimental loaded ammo from Shelbyville, IN coincidental to Lee Jurras' .44 Auto Mag development.

Upon being asked what I thought of the hotrodded .45 round, I admitted that it worked to a reasonable degree of reliability, but the only serious use I could think of for it was as a carry handgun in bear country for someone who preferred a semiauto to a revolver or [better!] shorty shotgun.

On being asked *if you could have anything you wanted chambered in this caliber, what would it be* [they were pushing for a factory .45 Super chambering of the Ruger Blackhawk at the time] I thought a bit and came up with two picks: the 1950's.45 NAACO Brigadeer pistol design, which was a sort of 4-pound .45 version of the Browning Hi-Power, and for a bottom-barrel chambering of the old .22 Hornet/.410 shotgun Ithaca M6 survival rifle/shotgun combo, now made by Springfield.

I really couldn't come up with a third choice in which the cartridge would be a particular asset, though a .45 Sooper Luger and the .44 Auto-Mag actions were kicked around. I went back to work in bear country, armed as the law required, and my answers for bear problems varied from 83/8- barrelled S&W .44 magnum M29 revolvers, the 4-inch barrelled M57 or M58 in .41 Mag, or a short 12-gauge shotgun, usually a Remington 870. In 1988 gun writer Dean Grennell did a couple of articles on his own .45 Super, [he used .451 Detonics brass] and around 1994 Ace Custom .45’s in Cleveland, Texas filed to trademark the .45 Super as a brand name designation.

Flash forward to the mid-1990s, and Indiana okayed deer hunting with handguns IF the weapons had a 4-inch barrel AND used a cartridge over .357 diameter and longer than 1.6 inches in length. .45 Super didn't make it, but .45 Win Mag did, and .45 Win Mag cases cut down to 1.1635 were both legal and were short enough to feed in a M1911 pistol magazine- now known to Hoosier handgunners as the *.45 Whitetail.*

[Lurker]

Interesting you mentioned the .45 Win Mag. A buddy of mine found himself owning a Wildey in that caliber.

Interesting weapon, but a bit of a pain in the ass. The adjustable gas system was clunky, the heel mag release made no sense to me, and I didn't like the overall feel of the thing.

It did, however, pack a hell of a punch when I tested it on gallon milk jugs full of Cherry Kool Aid.

Once I got the gas system adjusted it was fairly reliable, but not somthing I'd bet my life on in bear or Injun territory.

He offered to sell it to me, but I declined. Mostly due to lack of funds at the time. I didn't have a spare thousand kicking around for what was, to my mind, something not nearly as reliable as my Combat Commander.

Thanks for the info on the .45 Whitetail. Never heard of that one.

L

[archy]

DOD will procure replacements until a replacement is decided upon. SOP. Contract is not up till mid 2009 per my info.

Though of course they're still ALSO procuring for the high-speed folks who can make the best use of specialty tools.

I have no personal knowledge of tests underway as I am retired now and not in the arena.

But when I hear the sound of thundering hooves, I try to think horses instead of zebras. Oh sure, sometimes I'm wrong, but me hear sound of many hooves, kemo sabe!

If ya have inside infor you can share without compromise to sensitive data or your position please share if you determine such can be put on an open forum.

Shoot, I can't even decide if I'd rather have a Mod 1 CQB EBR :

or the Marine M39EMR Enhanced Marksman Rifle version:

Sage International info *here* [.pdf]