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To: ALPAPilot
There is just no way that the USN could fire that type of missle in that situation and have everyone keep quiet.

McClaine was Navy too. He said the same thing to me. I asked him if he knew anything about the USS Liberty. Turns out that one of his good friends was on that ship. He changed his mind. You will too, if you think about it.

Regarding FBI/CIA involvement in the Egypt Air crash, here's what the NY Times reported:

F.B.I. MAY BE ASKED TO TAKE OVER CASE OF EGYPTAIR CRASH By MATTHEW L. WALD AND DAVID JOHNSTON
Published: November 16, 1999

Government officials said this evening that the National Transportation Safety Board was considering asking the F.B.I. to take over the case of EgyptAir Flight 990 because of suspicions raised by a review of the plane's cockpit voice recorder.

The officials said they were focusing on a cryptic utterance, possibly a prayer. They said there were questions about exactly what was said and what it meant, but they were concerned that the statement might be the last words of a pilot determined to destroy himself and the airplane.

The plane crashed in the Atlantic, near Nantucket Island, two weeks ago, killing all 217 people on board.

[Emphasis added; the rest here]

So two weeks after the NTSB was "considering" asking the FBI and CIA to get involved. I don't think the NTSB initiated anything with TWA800. The FBI was clearly involved the day after TWA 800 went down because that's when they talked to McClaine.

Actually, I don't think the FBI and/or the CIA ever officially became involved in the Egypt Air crash because of objections made by the Egyptian government. And there never really was an investigation of that crash either because the truth would have been quite inconvenient. (My guess, knowing that there were several Orthodox Jews on that flight, is that Pilot Batouty was sitting near some of them when something they did or said set off his Islamic Instinct. He got up, went to the cockpit, pulled rank to get control of the plane, and then dove the plane into the ocean to kill the Jews for the glory of Allah.)

Regarding the TWA 800 conclusions, they were silly. Numerous attempts to ignite Jet-A fuel and/or fumes under even remotely similar conditions with sparks or open flames have all failed so far as I am aware. I don't believe any 747s were ever grounded as a result of the supposedly dangerous CFTs. (Contrast with the DC10 Engine mount problem.)

BTW, there is other evidence of a missile I forgot. The original NTSB report contained data from the FDR which ended with one or two strange looking lines of data. E.g. the reported altitude of TWA800 dropped from 13,100 to something like 10,500 on that last line. What folks like myself pointed out was that this was consistent with increased pressure outside the aircraft probably from an explosion close to it. Other data at the end were also consistent with an explosion outside the aircraft. So what did the NTSB do? They deleted the data from the report saying that it was left over from a previous flight. (I have the original data someplace if you are interested.) This is just so absurd when you consider that the entire purpose of an FDR is to record data accurately at just such a moment. There are timestamps and checksums included so that one knows the data are accurate reflections of what the sensors were reporting and consistent with other collected data. And really, what prior flight data would have had that 747 flying with an AoA of -97 degrees (or whatever it said). You must know the government explanation of this is all BS, but none of it seems to trouble you. I think it should.

ML/NJ

15 posted on 05/19/2008 5:42:53 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
What folks like myself pointed out was that this was consistent with increased pressure outside the aircraft probably from an explosion close to it.

There's no way that the air data computer could tell the difference between an explosion inside or outside the airframe. Pneumatic lines connect the static ports to the air data computer so as long as the explosion was exterior to that system the data is consistent with a fuel tank explosion.

McClaine was Navy too. He said the same thing to me. I asked him if he knew anything about the USS Liberty. Turns out that one of his good friends was on that ship. He changed his mind. You will too, if you think about it.

I'm not sure what the U.S.S. Liberty has to do with this. I've heard that several submarines and the Theodore Roosevelt may have been in the area. The military can't even fly a nuclear weapon accidently from North Dakota to Louisiana with everyone in the world knowing. They didn't fire a missle that night and cover it up. They couldn't have kept it quiet if they wanted to .

Numerous attempts to ignite Jet-A fuel and/or fumes under even remotely similar conditions with sparks or open flames have all failed so far as I am aware.

This is simply false. Jet fuel, heated above a certain temp, becomes explosive. TWA 800 spent 2 hours on the tarmac with its packs running. Tests determined that with the same amount of fuel as TWA 800 had, the airconditioning packs could heat the fuel to above that explosive temp.

As far as Egypt Air, once the NTSB figured out the airplane was in good shape, the FBI took over the investigation of the accident.

17 posted on 05/20/2008 4:05:10 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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