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Catholic Church Chooses Wrong Side Again
20 May 2008 | mmp813

Posted on 05/20/2008 11:07:11 AM PDT by mmp813

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To: A.A. Cunningham
It seems to me that the official Church position, as you stated it, says “...subject to various judicial conditions...” and “Immigrants are obliged...to obey the laws...” of the country that receives them. That states my case perfectly. Thank you. While it was the local parish clergy that took it upon themselves to act so irresponsibly, I have yet to see any response from the Diocese regarding all the hysteria they caused.

I'm sure that the Church will be very relieved to know that the United States still welcomes immigrants and new citizens after the proper paperwork has been completed. However, the subject at hand are the people who chose to disregard our laws, by coming into our country illegally, steal other people's identity and use fraudulent Social Security Cards. This is only the beginning of the crimes committed against our country and our society. The Church, on the other hand, chooses to ignore all these obvious crimes and pretend everything is acceptable in the name of “charity”. This is not true charity. It is just compounding wrong upon wrong.

The Church has no right to make National Security decisions for our country nor do they have any right to obstruct justice when we try to enforce our laws. Is the Church going to accept responsibility for the deaths caused by the drugs being brought across the boarder by some of these illegals? Is the Church going to accept responsibility the next time a Boarder Patrol Agent is killed? I thought not. Then get out of the way.

41 posted on 05/20/2008 4:50:42 PM PDT by mmp813
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To: A.A. Cunningham
It seems to me that the official Church position, as you stated it, says “...subject to various judicial conditions...” and “Immigrants are obliged...to obey the laws...” of the country that receives them. That states my case perfectly. Thank you. While it was the local parish clergy that took it upon themselves to act so irresponsibly, I have yet to see any response from the Diocese regarding all the hysteria they caused.

I'm sure that the Church will be very relieved to know that the United States still welcomes immigrants and new citizens after the proper paperwork has been completed. However, the subject at hand are the people who chose to disregard our laws, by coming into our country illegally, steal other people's identity and use fraudulent Social Security Cards. This is only the beginning of the crimes committed against our country and our society. The Church, on the other hand, chooses to ignore all these obvious crimes and pretend everything is acceptable in the name of “charity”. This is not true charity. It is just compounding wrong upon wrong.

The Church has no right to make National Security decisions for our country nor do they have any right to obstruct justice when we try to enforce our laws. Is the Church going to accept responsibility for the deaths caused by the drugs being brought across the boarder by some of these illegals? Is the Church going to accept responsibility the next time a Boarder Patrol Agent is killed? I thought not. Then get out of the way.

42 posted on 05/20/2008 4:50:57 PM PDT by mmp813
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To: A.A. Cunningham
It seems to me that the official Church position, as you stated it, says “...subject to various judicial conditions...” and “Immigrants are obliged...to obey the laws...” of the country that receives them. That states my case perfectly. Thank you. While it was the local parish clergy that took it upon themselves to act so irresponsibly, I have yet to see any response from the Diocese regarding all the hysteria they caused.

I'm sure that the Church will be very relieved to know that the United States still welcomes immigrants and new citizens after the proper paperwork has been completed. However, the subject at hand are the people who chose to disregard our laws, by coming into our country illegally, steal other people's identity and use fraudulent Social Security Cards. This is only the beginning of the crimes committed against our country and our society. The Church, on the other hand, chooses to ignore all these obvious crimes and pretend everything is acceptable in the name of “charity”. This is not true charity. It is just compounding wrong upon wrong.

The Church has no right to make National Security decisions for our country nor do they have any right to obstruct justice when we try to enforce our laws. Is the Church going to accept responsibility for the deaths caused by the drugs being brought across the boarder by some of these illegals? Is the Church going to accept responsibility the next time a Boarder Patrol Agent is killed? I thought not. Then get out of the way.

43 posted on 05/20/2008 4:51:05 PM PDT by mmp813
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To: ex-snook

I didn’t say that at all.

How often do you beat your wife?


44 posted on 05/21/2008 9:42:56 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin.”

Another good reason I’m not Catholic. I am not under any such obligation, nor is anyone else. This is typical contemporary religious pablum and one of the reasons the Muslims are expanding and Christians are not.


45 posted on 05/21/2008 9:45:14 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

The key phrase is “to the extent they are able,” which is eminently prudential and debatable.

It’s the business of the Church to ask for charity, and the business of Christians who are able to provide it.

It’s not the business of anyone to tell anyone else how much charity others ought to provide—that would destroy the very possibility of charity.


46 posted on 05/21/2008 9:49:41 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

“It’s the business of the Church to ask for charity”

No problem there. The problem is when they start demanding it and lobbying our prostitutes in government to provide it out of my tax dollars.

One of the reasons I left the Methodists, who are hardly any better on this subject.


47 posted on 05/21/2008 10:09:54 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Please keep us posted as to the Church’s pronunciations demanding tax dollars, then.


48 posted on 05/21/2008 10:12:30 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

When they demand certain actions by government which will generate a tax burden on tax-payers, they are demanding my tax-dollars.


49 posted on 05/21/2008 10:15:46 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: mmp813
Once again the Catholic Church has taken a stand on a modern issue and been found lacking in logic and substance. Recently, during the Pope's visit, he took exception to the United States border policy expressing that it lacked sensitivity for the needs of the less fortunate. The Pope chose to totally ignore the billions of dollars the American taxpayers spend annually on aid to less fortunate countries, as well as the continual problem we are facing with the daily uncontrollable assault on our boarder of untrained labor and often drug carrying illegal aliens.

Following the raid at the Postville Meatpacking Plant, the families of the detainees ran to the local Catholic Church for sanctuary. Instead of the Church working with the officials to assist the families, they allowed them to stay. They brought in food, gave them shelter and the illusion of protecting them from the government officials. The Church actually encouraged the hysteria by not working towards a resolution. The Catholic Church is way out of line. In addition, the Church encouraged people to protest the deportation of illegal aliens.

Ping to read later

50 posted on 05/29/2008 6:51:33 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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