Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Trust but verify?
Microfiche of those papers is readily available in many of not most West Coast public libraries. I haven't been out there recently or I would have looked myself. I assume the announcements get found--but at some point, I would look.
I will admit also that those announcements play into my assumption of what happened--after Obama and his mother returned from Kenya the week of his birth, they made some filings in Hawaii intended to support the argument that he was born in Honolulu. Vital Statistics, and ultimately the newspapers picked those filings up. What you would expect.
David, You have been fantastic in getting the truth out on this. Here is one of the things I don’t understand and I’m being serious. Why would his mother and grandmother be so obsessed with making him a US citizen?
That's a fair question. One of them, or maybe his grandfather, knew there were technical issues about American citizenship; and recognized how valuable it was if you didn't have it.
This article does have some info about Obama’s college friends including Chandoo and one classmate who saw him as “cocky, arrogant...”
Good question. IMO I have seen no real evidence THEY were 'obsessed' - at the time of his birth.
Any 'obsession' has been shown to be from the obama camp. The dubious CoLB on the fightthesmears website - the 'birth announcement' in the Sunday Advertiser is all that we have seen to date, attempting to substantiate obama's birth in the US.
The birth announcement may just be a red herring, attempting to validate the details on the forged CoLB. Until we see the original on the full page from a valid source, it's an open question. The address on the birth announcement doesn't relate to the family - I'm inclined to see it as a plant.
There is only one time, one time only, when in the disfunctional history of that family, it would have been imperative to confer US citizenship upon the children. That was when Stanley Ann decided to leave Soetoro. As a muslim, the children belong to the male parent. Notice that the mother wasn't mentioned on the school registration for obama. Stanley Ann would have lost custody of both children to Soetoro, unless she protected them with US citizenship.
That's a good moment to be 'obessional' - Stanley Ann and/or her parents (or her attorney!) may have FILED details of both children's 'births' as US citizens at that time, to protect custody. Had Soetoro attempted to reclaim them, he would have been kidnapping US citizens.
I say this because there have been numerous instances in Australia where Indonesian men have taken children from their mothers - who never saw them again, and the Australian government was helpless in assisting the mothers to retrieve them.
I still see the FILED CoLB as a provisional document, FILED as in 'we will put this information on file' and you can come back later and provide the information needed to complete the birth registration officially.
There may be a connection in the dates between when the FILED Colb was applied for and the commencement of Divorce Proceedings...both could be connected to retaining custody. And just as the divorce was never finalized, neither was the issue of an ACCEPTED certificate of live birth.
Think about it. As her attorney, when Stanley Ann instituted divorce proceedings, would you not recommend to her that she should protect custody of her children? ...and do all you could to help her achieve this?
Still tells us nothing about the circumstances of his birth, but goes along way toward explaining how Maya ended up with two birthdays...and why the name of the candidate is Barry Soetoro.
I have always thought the August 8, 1961 filing date probably implies some underlying factual disclosure. Maybe in part because had I been Stanley Ann's counsel, I would have figured out how to do something like that then.
But maybe it was not citizenship--maybe it was protecting the mother's rights as against the Muslim father--maybe Obama Sr. was the threat.
I suppose you assume that the father knew he was born in Kenya. Someone, probably in his family, made a birth filing in Mombasa.
By the time of the daughter and the second divorce, the certificate filings for Obama Jr. were of less significance as far as the birth location filing was concerned. His Indonesian citizenship may be a problem for them.
But you don't really know what the motivation was until you see the actual filings.
Also don’t forget Stanley Ann had perfect access when she worked at the U.S. Embassy. American employees would know how to navigate the system. Makes me just as curious to know exactly what duties Madelyn Dunham performed in the circuit courts after she retired from Bank of Hawaii in 1986. Interesting that she also volunteered at libraries.
I agree. I can see this happening about the time she was marrying or divorcing Soetoro, so any records hanky panky probably took place then. But who knows?
Very good analysis, Mr. Nerks. Thank you.
>>> Makes me just as curious to know exactly what duties Madelyn Dunham performed in the circuit courts after she retired from Bank of Hawaii in 1986. Interesting that she also volunteered at libraries.
Huh, I wonder if she worked with the late Judge Frederick Titcomb?
The little tidbits can sure add up can’t they? “The Honolulu Advertiser” devotes an entire section to Obama so I guess tomorrow’s job is to start reading through all the comments for each story. Maybe someone will mention a connection between Judge Titcomb and Madelyn Dunham. I can always hope so anyway, but for now the eyes need a rest.
The tidbit clusters are amazing. My eyes would love a rest too. I just hate how things change suddenly once I walk away from it.
I think it is an interesting issue, because (1) a national discussion about why George Washington and John Jay wanted the term "natural born" in Constitution is timely. And (2) the search for Obama's true birth story and then the story of how his view of citizenship developed and fascinating, and tales of character.
Without an character that is honest and of integrity there is no sense discussing issues. When a drunk harbor pilot steps on the bridge it's a foolish captain who wastes any time discussing the harbor with him.
“and fascinating” -> are fascinating
Please let me be less than sarcastic and ask the simple question, “What character?”
That’s right. They are all characters, and there isn’t any character among them.
If this political ploy works, and Obama gets the nomination, then we either get Obama or his Vice Presidential nominee.
Let’s say for kicks and giggles, he does nominate John F’n Kerry, we could end up with him as president.
I don’t know which would be worse. Kerry has a vested interest in Iran. Anyone remember the Contras and his farsical the ‘Kerry Committee’. He has a lot to cover up there.
I’m really almost at the point where I’m hoping for a terror attack so the elections get postponed.
My wife (a Canadian citizen) has said if Obama is elected she will head back to Canada. She said, “At least the Conservatives are in power there and with the present Liberal leader Harper will remain in power even if there is another election!” Even my mother-in-law, a life long liberal in Canada, has seen the deficencies of Obama and said she would never vote for the unmentioned hope and change!
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=1740
Does Obama Have Cocaine-Related Mental Impairment?
Cocaine is a risk factor for permanent mental impairment, and disqualification for access to nuclear weapons
The Obama campaign, as shown by material on my.barackobama.com over which the campaign’s staff exercises editorial control, sanctions the spread of rumors to the effect that John McCain has an age-related neurodegenerative disease. The Obama campaign is apparently unfamiliar with the adage about glass houses and stones. Let’s begin with the facts, as stated by Barack Obama himself.
I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though… (Barack Obama, “Dreams From My Father,” page 93, paperback edition. http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/streetterms/ByAlpha.asp?strTerm=B, “Blow” = “Cocaine; to inhale cocaine; to smoke marijuana; to inject heroin”)
While the Obama campaign sanctions supporters’ use of McCain’s age (younger than Dianne Feinstein, Robert Byrd, and Ted Kennedy by the way) to suggest that he might have a neurodegenerative disease, Obama’s admitted use of cocaine puts him at higher risk for mental impairment. It also disqualifies him from access to or control of nuclear weapons under the Armed Forces’ Nuclear Weapon Personnel Reliability Program.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctrine/dod/dodd-5210_42.htm
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1739
Cocaine and the Nervous System
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