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To: WOSG
A citizen? Yes, whether he was born in Africa or Akron.

Natural-born? Maybe, the lawyers are arguing the finer points of that right now. I'm inclined towards the side that says natural-born means born on US soil.

Part of what I'm saying isn't the law, it's what Stanley Ann thought was the law. That is what drove her actions.

It is very reasonable to believe that she thought out of country illegitimate birth (there's a phrase loaded with bias!) with a foreign national father would deny her baby citizenship, or at least complicate getting it asserted.

It is very reasonable to expect a new mommy - even a commie mommy - to want the best for her son, and to take steps to insure it.

You keep saying he was born in Honolulu, as if that were a given.

It's not a given. It might well be true, but smart people of good will are debating that, each side has good evidence supporting their views.

Game over. Barack’s eligible to be President, with 100% certainty, no matter WHERE he is born.

It's halftime. A bit early to declare victory.

We agree that he is a citizen, regardless of the location of his birth.

Even given the unquestionable facts of his meeting the age and residence requirements, citizenship, by itself, is not sufficient to hold office.

He has to be a "natural born" citizen. What exactly that phrase means has been the subject of a rather lively debate. I suspect that will be clarified a bit more during this election cycle.

Regardless of the outcome of that particular debate, politically this is a dead issue. If intelligent articulate conservatives can't present the issue clearly to each other what hope does it have for being clear in the minds of the average government school mal-educated voter?

2,350 posted on 07/08/2008 8:26:20 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void
A citizen? Yes, whether he was born in Africa or Akron.

We agree that he is a citizen, regardless of the location of his birth.

No, I don't think he is a citizen at all if he was born in Kenya. I remain skeptical about the operation of Sec. 1401 with respect to illegitimate children but even if RayCPA's analysis as set forth in Henry K. Chang's opinion is correct, I have heard from several divorce lawyers, one of whom is doing research to confirm his view, that any kind of marriage makes Obama legitimate and out of Sec. 1401, even one that does not comply with local law for other reasons.

In a Common Law jurisdiction, you can see the policy arguments that support that kind of rule.

2,361 posted on 07/08/2008 8:53:49 AM PDT by David (...)
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