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Suppose he actually was born in Hawaii. He would have an original BC issued shortly after his birth.

He might have been born in Canada, or an in an 'unmarried mother's home' somewhere on the US mainland, his birth may have been registered in Hawaii by the grandparents. If his name was registered as Barack Hussein Obama - as the birth notice in the Hawaii newspaper suggests, then simple common sense tells me 'she was very young and single when she had him' as Michelle said. The grandparents would have been motivated to conceal the fact that Stanley Ann and obama snr were not married. In the 60's unwed pregancy was a terrible stigma. Most unwed mothers gave their children up for adoption. In Australia it was common practice to send the girl to another State, a very long way from the home town.

I have seen nothing that suggests that Stanley Ann and obama snr ever lived together. He acted very much as the single man while she was pregnant and after he was born. There are letters from friends of obama snr on a website from during that period, and a wife and/or child are never mentioned.

Then suppose he was legally adopted by Soetoro. Wouldn't the original BC be sealed and an amended or delayed BC be issued under a different name?

Assuming his birth name was given as Barack Hussein Obama II - the adoption would make him Barack Hussein Soetoro. (Or Soturo, that's the way Stanley Ann used her married name.) How he became Barry Soetoro upon adoption beats me, but that's the name used on his school registration in Indonsesia.

And if he later did a legal name change back to BHO II, wouldn't another certificate be issued similar to the original, but possibly with a later date. Or would it just revert to the original BC?

That's the period that brings up a lot of questions. Suddenly, he's in Hawaii and now his name is Barry Obama. I doubt very much if anything was done officially to change his name alone. It's possible that the grandparents adopted him - during that period in 1971 when Obama snr came to visit. An adoption proceedure possibly recommended by Stanley Ann's attorney, to assure she, or the family, retained custody of her children. If that adoption took place, his name would be Barack Hussein Dunham! It's in that same period that his half sister Maya also achieved her 'second' birthday. Muslim children belong to the father. Registering Maya's birth in Hawaii in an effort to confer US citizenship upon her might have been a measure to assure that Soetoro could not claim custody. As for obama, I doubt that Obama snr came all the way from Kenya just for a Christmas visit. There may have been a much greater need for the journey...perhaps he needed to present himself to contest the validity of the first adoption...or give his consent for the second?

Maybe all this mess is to cover up the adoption??

I recall obama wrote in 'Dreams' that he found his birth certificate...if all is as is maintained, there would have been no need to apply for a CoLB from the Hawaii HD on the date stamped on the rear of the certificate. If his birth name was Barack Hussein Obama, born in Hawaii to an 'African' father...

It is a mess, and all of his own making. Ultimately, I can think of only three reasons for the subterfuge and why the birth certificate obama found was not used: A. His legal name is NOT Barack Hussein Obama. B. His father, Barack Hussein Obama Snr identified himself as Arab-African and probably gave his religion as muslim. C. The original birth certificate was issued at a facility either used or attached to an 'unmarried mother's home' that was NOT in the US.

One thing I am certain of. He cannot divulge the truth. The carefully constructed fairy-tale of his origins will not allow it.

Aloha Mate!

I'm currently plowing my way through Jerome Corsi's book the Obama Nation and reading and rereading the 'begats' trying to figure out the lineage of the Messiah. Although I stated earlier in this thread that I thought the CoLB was bogus, offered the unsubstantiated opinion that there might not have been a father registered on it as the reason it's forged, the book cites articles from the London Daily Mail and the Chicago Tribune that marriage was not the case or that it is indiscoverable. Later though, there are divorce proceedings that were published after Obama Sr. left . Go figure.

The point is there has been much ado over Obama's recollections and discoveries of his heritage which he published in his autobiography. There is, however, evidence foot noted in Corsi's book that proves the autobiography is fiction.

Might want to pick up a copy.

Isn’t the crux of the matter really whether he qualifies as “natural born”?

The other factors are influencing peripheral facts in that direction, most of which tend to disprove not prove he is a natural born American qualified to be president.

ALSO - what about the Philadelphia lawsuit asking for him to prove this or cease and desist?

AND - will someone please confirm that if we are in a state of war at the time of elections, the elections can be postponed or suspended by Presidential edict?