And what is interesting to me, is that I think you are full of HOPE for not asking that question. The more honest question is why this man has not been open and trusting enough of we citizens to do so. It suggests to me that you are trying to CHANGE with us. Take your HOPE elsewhere. Stop CHANGING around with us.
(Or, is there a legitimate set of circumstances where someone born to a resident of Hawaii would have a birth certificate on file?)
Once again, Freeper David spoke clearly to this issue last week.............
Lots of possibilities—all speculation at this point until the real original comes out. I have trouble overcoming my original view that some filing occurred on August 8, 1961.
Hawaii has an affidavit filing statute and although Dept of Health has said they only take those for out of date birth information, who knows what they did in 1961. Maybe as simple as that they took a fraudulent affidavit from grandma Dunham (which is part of the reason she was keeping her mouth shut).
Maybe they took an affidavit of home birth. Maybe they took a really manufactured document which they managed to get a supporting local doctor to slip into the chain of birth records he filed for true local births.
Maybe what happened is that after whatever occurred in Indonesia, they did an adoption or other filing.
In any event, like most other states, a child born in state A adopted by parents in state B would have a state B birth certificate showing the adoptive parents as true parents even though the child was born in a different state to other parents. Lots of possible variations on that theme in Barack’s case.
The Certificate of Live Birth tells you nothing about the real facts of the place and circumstances of his birth. The fact that it was also fraudulent raises questions but even if all the questions could be answered, you still don’t have any evidence of his true place of birth other than his refusal to permit disclosure of the vault birth record documents filed in August 1961 if any; live testimony that he was passing through Seattle in August of 1961 before his mother had learned to change his diapers; live testimony by the missionaries that she was precluded from getting on the airplane in Kenya because of her pregnancy; Barack’s own admission that mother was in Kenya 72 hours before the birth; and the testimony of Sarah and two half-siblings that they were present at his birth in Kenya.
Fact that he refuses to release his Hawaii vault birth records speaks volumes about his true place of birth. The most likely reason is that the bottom document on the file is a piece of paper that makes it clear that whatever the affidavit says, he wasn’t really born in Hawaii at all. That’s why he is concealing it.
Hawaii DOH Talks About Sen. Obama’s Birth Certificate
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