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1 posted on 08/05/2008 2:10:53 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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Wright, Meeks, Pfleger are his mentors!


2 posted on 08/05/2008 2:11:58 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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He’s an interesting guy. Some of what he says seems very sincere. But he also avoids mentioning his time in a muslim school.

Not sure why, it would have been an easy thing to mention, since he was talking about his familiarity with other cultures, to simply say that he studied in a muslim school for a while. He says he studied in a catholic school in Indonesia, but doesn’t mention the muslim school. Odd.


3 posted on 08/05/2008 2:25:01 PM PDT by marron
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"Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history."

That's not the Christian answer to the question "Who is Jesus to you?" This is the secularist answer. "A bridge between God and man", "a wonderful teacher", etc. Not the Son of God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, not the Messiah. By his answer, Obama shows he's not really a Christian.

5 posted on 08/05/2008 2:35:43 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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Rarely in those settings do people come up to me and say, what are your beliefs. They are going to presume, and rightly so. Although they may presume a set of doctrines that I subscribe to that I don’t necessarily subscribe to.
But I don’t think that’s unique to me. I think that each of us when we walk into our church or mosque or synagogue are interpreting that experience in different ways, are reading scriptures in different ways and are arriving at our own understanding at different ways and in different phases...
...If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.

There is a certain element of truth to what he says here, but its also an odd turn of phrase. Its as if he's trying to say something without saying it.

6 posted on 08/05/2008 2:37:06 PM PDT by marron
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I’ll say it again. He does not talk about his faith as though he was a Christian. I just don’t believe it.


7 posted on 08/05/2008 3:08:14 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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Thanks for posting this!

Obama is very self-referential/self-reverential.

I think I have an ongoing conversation with God. I think throughout the day, I’m constantly asking myself questions about what I’m doing, why am I doing it.

"Conversation with God" is equivalent to talking with himself? Maybe he does think he is God!

GG: What is sin?
OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

Sin is being out of alignment with God's values.

8 posted on 08/05/2008 3:27:43 PM PDT by syriacus (Democrats got THEIR "change" in Election 2006. Are WE better off now?)
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Wow - there is so much wrong with this that it is hard to even gt my arms around it...

Hi, My name is BHO:
I’m call myself a Christian - but when asked who Jesus is I don’t say God incarnate or God’s son - I say he’s a historical figure and a great teacher...

I say that the Constitution speaks about preventing fundamentalism from taking root...

I believe there are multiple paths to the same place (Heaven) despite Jesus telling us “I am the Way the Truth and the Life, No one comes to the father except through Me” - but I am a Christian

But - I won’t commit to believing in Heaven I just believe that if I live a good life I will be rewarded, despite the Bible teaching exactly the opposite...

I call sin acting outside of MY values as opposed to violating God’s law or acting in a manner that is outside the revealed will of God and his intent for us in creation...

and on and on and on


11 posted on 08/05/2008 4:07:05 PM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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Someone here on FR (can't recall who) uses as his/her tagline "Obama:In your heart you know he's Wright"

IMO,this beautifully...and cleverly...sums up what Osama's all about when it comes to God and related issues/attitudes.

12 posted on 08/05/2008 5:37:07 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bein ein beginner")
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This doesn’t match up with what the Bible says about who Jesus is and how to get to heaven. His beliefs are not Christian beliefs, no matter what he wants to call them.


13 posted on 08/05/2008 7:08:59 PM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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