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Debate on Fox--Lesbian Mom Demands Child Support from Sperm Donor Dad
GlennSacks.com ^ | 8/12/08 | Glenn Sacks

Posted on 08/12/2008 12:47:07 PM PDT by PercivalWalks

Recently on Fox's nationally-syndicated Morning Show with Mike and Juliet we debated a New Mexico case where a man who had donated sperm to a lesbian couple is now on the hook for child support to the children's biological mother. The case is detailed in New Mexico Court Orders Sperm Donor to Pay Child Support (Fox News, 7/31/08):

A court battle over whether a sperm donor should pay a higher rate of child support has ended with a ruling that the man is liable because he has taken an active role in raising the children.

Kevin Zoernig had argued he was not required to pay child support because he is a sperm donor and is protected under the state's Uniform Parentage Act.

But the state Court of Appeals noted in its July 25 opinion that this was not a case involving an anonymous donor or a known donor who provided sperm to a licensed physician under an agreement in which he agreed to have no parental rights...

Zoernig agreed in 1994 to donate sperm so that Mintz and her partner at the time, Deborah Mrantz, could have a child. After the couple broke up, Zoernig fathered another child for Mintz, again as a sperm donor.

Zoernig, Mintz and Mrantz had entered into an agreement in 1994 in which the female couple would be the child's primary custodians. Zoernig would serve as a male role model but not be financially obligated to support the child.

Mintz and Zoernig entered into a similar agreement for the second child, born in 1997, court records show.

Although Mintz is the children's primary custodian, they stay with Zoernig every other weekend during the school year and half the summer. Zoernig, 50, now is married and has three children with his wife.

In February 2000, Mintz sought child support payments from Zoernig. The parties agreed the following year that Zoernig would pay $250 a month in child support, plus $50 a month toward arrears, according to court documents.

In 2004, Mintz filed a motion to raise those payments, saying her financial situation had changed. A state district judge adopted a new rate of $670 a month.

Zoernig turned to the Court of Appeals, challenging his obligation to provide any support as well as the higher rate, since the children were conceived through artificial insemination.

The appellate court said he must pay support for both children.

The court said he "enjoys the rights of parenthood," and that the agreements entered into prior to conception "that purport to absolve him of his responsibility to pay child support" are not enforceable.

In this ABC story, Mintz said "It was shocking to me when his lawyer showed up with arguments that he shouldn't have to pay child support because he was a sperm donor. It seemed quite preposterous."

My views on the case are as follows:

1) Zoernig, Mintz, and Mrantz made an agreement. Zoernig held up his end of the bargain and then some. Why is it that mothers are so often able to toss agreements aside in family court as soon as they become inconvenient?

2) Zoernig did Mintz and Mrantz a favor. Mintz returned the favor by handing Zoernig an invoice.

3) Some have dismissed the amount of child support that Mintz is demanding of Zoernig as insignificant. Well, when it was $250, I can understand that. Once the child support went up to $670 a month -- remember that's 670 post-tax dollars -- it's no longer insignificant. Zoernig is a musician who apparently does not make much money. Also, he is married and has three children of his own. This is doubtlessly causing him problems with his family.

4) The mother and those who sympathize with her, including two of the guests on the show, argue that Zoernig is enjoying the rights of a parent without any of the responsibilities. When we're speaking of fathers, of course, "responsibility" is a polite word for child support. I pointed out that this man has been supporting his children for 14 years by playing an active, positive role in their lives. This is far beyond anything that the mother could have reasonably expected, and we can all see how grateful she is.

5) If you want to put it simply in monetary terms, I have no doubt that Zoernig has spent plenty of money on the kids over the past 14 years. For one, they have spent much of their time with him, and he has had to provide a living place for them and cover expenses while they are with him. He has probably also bought them and provided them countless things over the years.

6) Given that Zoernig is not a high earner, even if this were a straight divorce case as opposed to a sperm donor case, there is still no reason why Zoernig should be paying Mintz money. I do believe that there are cases where child support is appropriate. For example, if one parent has been the primary caregiver during a marriage and upon divorce earns significantly less than the other parent, I believe that there should be child support. I do not see any indication of this in this case.

7) If there is anybody in this case who should be obligated for child support it is Mintz's former lesbian partner Deborah Mrantz. It is Mrantz who agreed to have the child with Mintz and the two of them agreed to raise their child. Deborah Mrantz is apparently no longer in the picture, and nobody involved in the show seem to know what had happened to her. Perhaps she left after their breakup and abandoned her child. Perhaps she was driven out of the child's life by Mintz, as is common in lesbian breakups. [To learn more about this issue, see my co-authored column Lesbian Child Custody Battles and Heterosexual Divorce (World Net Daily, 8/5/08)].

8) I'm not surprised that the New Mexico court ruled as they did. Courts will almost always rule that fathers have to pay child support because it is "in the best interest of the child."

9) What's ironic here is that Mintz, by acting as she did, probably cost the children money in the long run. Research shows that when fathers' custody rights are respected, they are quite generous with their children as they enter their college years. In my column New Study Punctures Myth of Uncaring Divorced Dad (Newsday, 6/23/03), I discussed a study which showed that, adjusting for all other factors, fathers actually provide more financial support for their children's college educations than mothers. Zoernig probably would have supplied a substantial amount of money over the kids' teen and college years and into their adult would. Now that Mintz has poisoned the well, I wonder if this will still be true.

10) Mintz was invited to come on the show by the Fox producers. She refused. That's a shame -- I would've enjoyed debating her. Apparently she didn't think she would enjoy debating me.

To watch the video of the show, click here. Also on the show with me were Chicago family law attorney Enrico Mirabelli, who made some good points about the need to respect contracts, as well as two women who sided with the mother, Melissa B. Brisman, Esq. and child advocate Trenny Stovall.

Glenn Sacks, www.GlennSacks.com

[Note: If you or someone you love is faced with a divorce or needs help with child custody, child support, false accusations, Parental Alienation, or other family law or criminal law matters, ask Glenn for help by clicking here.]


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: culturewar; homosexualagenda; judicialactivism; judiciary; lavendermafia; parentalrights; samesexadoption; samesexmarriage; savethemales; spermdonor
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To: Centurion2000

I think the difference in this case was that it was NOT anonymous. If it was donor 47890 who made said kids, donor 47890 cannot be made to owe money.
This guy made kids, though sans sex with the mother. Not anonymous. Thus not free from child support.


41 posted on 08/12/2008 2:41:59 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: PercivalWalks

The ultimate nerve, approved by radical man-hating feminists everywhere. In their world-view, men are good only for their seed and their money. And they are trying to eliminate the need for the seed.


42 posted on 08/12/2008 2:43:32 PM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: BossLady

The judge addressed that question (which is why Glenn Sacks commentary stinks because he ignored that salient point) and the answer was that their agreement didn’t conform to the requirements of the Uniform Parentage Act and so was unenforceable as a matter of public policy.

For a contract to be legally enforceable, it has to conform to the law.


43 posted on 08/12/2008 3:43:21 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: PercivalWalks
If a State makes "gay" marriage legal, then won't situations like this be rare? One partner will give the most nurturing care and the other the most financial care and so a divorce will have the one who provided the most finances paying the child support, would it not? And why bring a 'sperm/egg donor' into the situation if there was no legal document outlining what he/she was responsible for. And, IF, as in this case, there seemed to be, how can a Judge rule against an already existing document without more information about the "other half" of the gay-couple? Seems totally UNFAIR and should be appealed.

Just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's wise. (Sperm and Egg donor births.) And if a 'gay' couple want to have a baby, then are they REALLY 'gay?' Why would someone who knows that 2-gender sex is for procreation and has decided to have a same-gender sexual relationship, have a reason or physical desire to produce off-spring? Why would someone be in a same-gender sexual relationship if their hormones were raging for them to produce a baby? Why wouldn't they marry (or have a sexual affair with) someone of the other gender and produce off-spring?

What I can't quite grasp (obviously) is why someone would want to ruin a perfectly good same gender close relationship by bringing sexual intimacy into the equation. I have close friends I love with all my heart, but I would not bring any sexual liaison into the relationship. Male or female. And I can say I love them more than I ever loved either husband.

So, if you can stop laughing at me, FReepMail me an explanation, okay?

44 posted on 08/12/2008 3:48:24 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (The World is a Tragedy for Those Who Feel (Democrats) but a Comedy to Those Who Think (Republicans).)
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To: Valpal1
Thank you for your input! The article alluded to the fact that there had been a contract of some sort however, did not seem to go into any details.

I perused the Uniform Parentage Act and it does state, in so many words, that if a man says he is the father...then he is financially responsible.

To this end, even if you have a contract drawn up....it does not seem to matter. My understanding, according to the UPA, is that if you claim parentage....you are responsible...period. What is your opinion?

45 posted on 08/12/2008 4:57:21 PM PDT by BossLady (People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to avoid facing their own soul. ~Carl Jung)
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To: BossLady

Their agreement wasn’t waiving their parental rights to the child, but instead tried to waive the child’s right to parental support.

My opinion is that children have a right to the support of their parents and that parents cannot waive the basic rights of their offspring as a matter of public policy.

Nor can they sell their children into slavery or give consent to their minor children being used sexually by others.

The judge was right and Glen Sacks picked an inappropriate case to pimp his agenda.


46 posted on 08/12/2008 6:36:17 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: Valpal1
Yours is a much more eloquent way of stating it ;)

Thank you so much!

47 posted on 08/12/2008 8:33:11 PM PDT by BossLady (People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to avoid facing their own soul. ~Carl Jung)
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To: Bernard Marx
Because we compete with them for the hot babes — and we're much better-equipped to please the hotties.


48 posted on 08/13/2008 12:39:57 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: Ever wonder where all those who took the brown acid at Woodstock wound up?)
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To: PercivalWalks
"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

But as my son pointed out...

"A child needs a father like a fish needs water."

Cheers!

49 posted on 08/13/2008 4:12:52 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: definitelynotaliberal
No, it will not. The couple didn’t use a sperm bank. They used a friend/acquaintance.

Substantial benefits for early withdrawal.

Including continued interest.

Cheers!

50 posted on 08/13/2008 4:14:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

That was bad!


51 posted on 08/13/2008 4:31:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: PercivalWalks

The “best interests” of the child is always justice between the parents.

That being said, if people could follow God’s laws on sexual morality a little more closely, a whole lot of these problems wouldn’t exist.


52 posted on 08/13/2008 9:58:00 AM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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