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1 posted on 10/24/2008 9:27:07 PM PDT by Beyond Puke
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To: Beyond Puke

Many of these so-called “polls” are being used this year to manipulate voter opinion. It’s always been that way but it’s twice as bad this year.


2 posted on 10/24/2008 9:30:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: Beyond Puke

This borders on nonsensical, but I think I agree with you. If you’re trying to say that Zogby is full of crap and his polls are pulled out of his arse, I’m 100% on your side.


3 posted on 10/24/2008 9:31:21 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (You MUST see this website: http://www.neverfindout.org/)
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To: Beyond Puke

Zogby is same religion as Barrack Hussain Obama.


4 posted on 10/24/2008 9:32:42 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: Beyond Puke
He admits there is an “element of artwork.”

I believe the pollster.
5 posted on 10/24/2008 9:34:29 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Beyond Puke
The polls are all over the place, each with their own 'special sauce'.

How can 'Real Clear Politics' average polls with different methodologies?  Adults - Likely voters - Registered voters?  It's nuts!

My special wish this campaign season, beside a McCain/Palin win, is to see that Fox 'All-star' panel EAT CROW!
7 posted on 10/24/2008 9:43:02 PM PDT by Brizick (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: Beyond Puke

Rush used to be so high on this guy. Not anymore.


8 posted on 10/24/2008 9:43:34 PM PDT by SaintDismas (Starting to regret the handle I chose for this forum)
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To: Beyond Puke

Isn’t Zogby’s brother a mouthpiece for some pro-Arab group here in America? Haven’t seen him lately.


11 posted on 10/24/2008 9:46:17 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: Beyond Puke

Well, from what I gather, you’re basically saying that the polling is wrong because Zogby (and for that matter, the rest of the public pollsters) are not consistent with their sampling and they typically don’t even know what their sample group is in the first place. That is, if on one day they have 400 Dems, 400 Reps and 200 Indies, the next poll they do should have the same breakdown if the poll is to mean anything at all. If this is what you’re getting at, I agree 100%.

In theory, a proper poll should go further and stick with the very same group of people, but for several reasons, that has other problems—such as the unavoidability of the polling process itself affecting the outcome (among other things)—which is why idiotic things like Luntz’s focus group are fatally flawed.

I think you are correct (if I understand your unique way of saying things), that if polls are to have any meaning they have to track underlying trends and they can only do this by having a consistent demographic sample from one poll to the next and the baseline has to be built upon a known historical datum, such as how the pollee voted previously (which needs to be confirmed as well, but how that would be done is not clear). Otherwise, they mean nothing at all, which, frankly, I am inclined to think. That is, I think polls are, by their nature, inherently bogus. Instinct about one’s environment is a better tool than polling if you want to know what groups of people are thinking.


13 posted on 10/24/2008 9:46:31 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: Beyond Puke; Norman Bates; TitansAFC

“Historical behavioral data ignored in polling is criminal. This from a Criminal”

Historical data??? They have current ACTIVE ONGOING data from the early voting that they are ignoring. The early voting is about evenly split after 5 days in most states.

They need to rebalance these polls based on ongoing data!


14 posted on 10/24/2008 9:46:52 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain/Palin 08 (It's about CREATING wealth, stupid! Not spreading it.))
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To: Beyond Puke

Just when we were over Zog’s 330 vote Kerry guarantee. He is only there to cripple McCain’s fundraising.

Pray for W, McCuda and Our Troops


15 posted on 10/24/2008 9:48:08 PM PDT by bray (It's the Corruption Stupid)
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To: Beyond Puke
Please put vanity in your title. You write like vomit.
17 posted on 10/24/2008 9:50:47 PM PDT by allmendream (White Dog Democrat: A Democrat who will not vote for 0bama because he's black.)
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To: Beyond Puke

Zogby is a fraud.

As late as last Wednesday, he was the guest speaker for a Planned Parenthood event. He’s in the tank too, and his polling data clearly reflects it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://wnyt.com/article/stories/S629204.shtml?cat=300


18 posted on 10/24/2008 9:51:54 PM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: Beyond Puke
So, how many people will die when the puffed-up empty suit drifts to the ground, and his disappointed, raging thugs take to the streets?

Were there any justice left in this world, the pollsters and the left-wing media scum would be air-dropped wherever the burnings and shootings are happening.

22 posted on 10/24/2008 10:05:42 PM PDT by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: Beyond Puke

I will no longer read a Zogby poll and neither should you.

JoMa


24 posted on 10/25/2008 5:14:30 AM PDT by joma89
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To: Beyond Puke

That’s some kind of agrammatical word salad, but I think I agree with him.


28 posted on 10/26/2008 7:46:52 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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