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To: arrogantsob

You are right on the level of human “logic” being transcended by prophecy. On the simple, “Atheism is the only way to believe or think” view, you’ve got me.

If there is a Creator God - if such a Creator is even worthy of consideration - than prophecy is likewise worthy of consideration. The fact that you are willing to throw it out to due entirely to atheistic presuppositions really doesn’t amount to diddly as far as I’m concerned.

Prophecy is as valid as the one giving the prophecies. And Christians have good reasons for believing their “source.”

Interestingly, by the way, Judeo-Christianity and Judeo-Christianity ALONE provides prophecy in its holy Scriptures. Islam does not (save one, when Mohammad gave a self-fulfilling prophecy to return to Mecca). The Bible, however, confirms itself again and again by prophecy.

I actually COULD argue that Islam is referred to in the Bible, given the fact that Allah is the moon god, and Moses mentions worship of the moon in Deuteronomy 4:19.

But your argument assumes that God is somehow more afraid of Islam than He is of anything else. I guess I just don’t think so. There have been innumerable false religions, and Islam is simply one more of them. The fact that it should be specifically singled out in prophecy because it would come to have more adherents (1.3 billion) than other false religions (Hinduism has 870 million adherents, shouldn’t IT have been mentioned, too?) doesn’t mean that much to me. There are 2.14 billion Christians, btw
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060106/christian-population-growth-rate-higher-than-world-less-than-muslims-hindus.htm

“Any system of prophecy which does not mention X does not give me any confidence in it.” Any system of prophecy which does not mention Einsteinian physics does not give me any confidence in it. That pretty much becomes a game where you can justify unbelief by making “X” anything.

God gave the test of a false prophet, and false prophecy. If it doesn’t come to pass, it’s false.

God created individuals with free will, including the freedom to reject Him. You want to reject divine prophecy, fine. You want to reject the coming Antichrist, the coming one world government, the coming Tribulation, fine. You want to reject that one day - and I believe soon - there will be a global economic system in which anyone who does not have a particular mark will not be able to buy or sell, fine. You’ll just be one among billions of fools taking it.

Me, I accept it, and I believe I’m seeing more and more confirmation that it’s beginning to come to pass all the time.


113 posted on 11/28/2008 8:32:56 PM PST by Michael Eden
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To: Michael Eden

“Human logic” is all we humans have to work with. Certainly there is no reason to accept the reasoning of those who incorrectly claim their opponents are “atheistic”.

“Confirmation” of biblical prophecy is in the mind of the beholder not objective fact. It is like that of Nostradamus, subject to multiple interpretations through whatever Decoder Device is handy.

It is an excellent method of fleecing the flock however. One of the best since it cannot be argued against with any kind of rationality.

Allah is not a “moon God” but ONE god. Islam does not accept multiple gods and calls believers in the Trinity, Polytheists. Sick and perverted as the followers of Mad Mo are they do not worship Nature Gods.

Nor do I imply God is afraid of anything just point to the fact that the most significant religious movement since Jesus is totally absent from “prophecy”. Nothing has been as destructive to Christianity as the Islamic killers which systemicly destroyed the Christian communities throughout the Middle East. Millions have died at its hands for almost fourteen hundred years. An event of such staggering magnitude and so deadly to Christians is oblivious to the “prophesy”. Islam is hardly just another religion.

People are not Christians just because they are born so but must live it. Thus, at least half the “Christians” claimed by you are not Christians at all. Look at the communist churches which make up the mainstream religions in this country ready to srrender to evil at the drop of a hat.

And, if you have not noticed, Hinduism is not a murderous millenium long assault on Christians and Jews.


114 posted on 11/28/2008 9:11:53 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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