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What if the President was a FRAUD?
email: ConservativeActionAlerts | 12/13/2008 | Gary Kreep

Posted on 12/13/2008 3:36:19 AM PST by IbJensen

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To: xlib
...no one in any position of authority in Hawaii raising any credible doubts about that affirmation.

The correct designation for this place is: Peoples' Republic of Hawaii.

81 posted on 12/15/2008 3:51:51 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: hoosiermama

Very interesting reading.


82 posted on 12/15/2008 3:57:48 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: Oatka
We got one in power now - he passed himself off as a Republican.

No argument with that statement.

Juan McLame would have even been worse. Some of his post-election comments are sickening.

Perhaps with the phony Marxist narcissist Obomba in the White House for two years, we may get an opportunity to clean out Washington; however, things will be in a horrible mess.

83 posted on 12/15/2008 4:02:48 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: SumProVita
'Government' turning blind eyes towards Illegal immigration and voter fraud has undermined the rule of law in the USA. The politicians not being honest on compliance with established law feeds our cynicism.

A birth certificate is such a simple, basic solution that refusing to produce one arouses suspicions. It's perfectly understandable that people are pursuing this important issue. Laws are not optional for some people. Much more outrage should be gnerated, because Obama is a mere symptom of much bigger problems.

84 posted on 12/15/2008 4:12:08 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: xlib
Sorry. I forgot I was dealing with rabid Truthers here.

"Rabid Truthers" is an understatement.

85 posted on 12/15/2008 4:16:00 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Candor7
Obama is NOT my president.

I work with a couple of libs who have been saying that about Bush for the last 8 years, ever since he 'stole' Florida. Your position is nothing new.

86 posted on 12/15/2008 4:17:47 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: DJ MacWoW
No one has seen his college records.

Last time I checked the Constitution, college records were not needed to show eligibility for president.

87 posted on 12/15/2008 4:18:57 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ml/nj

I stand corrected. Here’s Berg himself:

“Bush and his cronies made 9/11 happen or let it happen. And, if they let it happen, then they made it happen. Either way, they are responsible; and more important, they have completely and unequivocally covered-it-up!”

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/philip-berg-seeking-the-truth-of-911

Berg doesn’t specifically claim it was a controlled demolition, just that Bush made it happen.


88 posted on 12/15/2008 6:04:51 AM PST by xlib
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To: so_real
Being a British citizen at birth precludes a "natural born" status.

He was a British subject at birth according to a British law. Should British law affect his status as an American citizen? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and the fact that so many people on this forum have convinced themselves that this is somewhere in the Constitution is troubling.

He was also a US citizen at birth, and therefore "natural born." That's the end of it.

89 posted on 12/15/2008 10:21:16 AM PST by Kleon
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To: so_real

“If being a Conservative and defending the Constitution is too much work for you, get out of they way. We’ll take it from here. It’s a shame you will forever be blind to the service we perform to your benefit and on your behalf.”

Well said!! I am disappointed to see so many posters on a forum that is supposed to support and defend our Constitution make comments that prove they are willing to “talk the talk” but unwilling to “walk the walk”.


90 posted on 12/15/2008 10:34:23 AM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: xlib

“The fact is, Obama is a natural born citizen.”

May I ask what evidence you have that proves for a “FACT” that Obama is a natural born citizen? I don’t think this issue would have gained so much momentum if there were any “facts” to be had.

The only “fact” that I am aware of is that Obama is hiding the “facts” from us all. The only other “fact” that I am aware of is that some people don’t care enough to fight for the “facts” and some do.


91 posted on 12/15/2008 10:37:51 AM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: kitkat
"Why can’t some people see that he’s hiding something?

The very last thing anyone wants to do is admit publicly that they've made a stupid mistake! Even when they're forced to admit it they'll try to blame it on some one else. That's why divorces are so messy-- whichever one you are, it has to be the fault of the other one. This case is going to be especially bad since it obviously can't be the fault of "The One". (/sarc)

92 posted on 12/15/2008 10:52:13 AM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: IbJensen

there are two types of certified copy of birth cert that one can obtain in hawaii. the certification of live birth, which obama’s camp has shown, is the short form version and does not contain the full details as in the long form original birth certificate (which has so far not been released for public scrutiny).

examples of these two versions of the birth cert can also be found in hawaii’s DHHL website.


93 posted on 12/15/2008 11:04:28 AM PST by toffeekins
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To: Kleon
Were the Framers British subjects at birth according to British law? ... yes.

Was Obama a British subject at birth according to British law? ... yes.

Did the Framers become citizens of the US? ... yes. (at the time of revolution)

Did Obama become a citizen of the US? ... yes. (at birth though this has not been verified)

Does the text of the Constitution read "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"? ... yes

Were the Framers exempted from the "natural born" requirement by this statement? ... yes (they were alive at the time the Constitution was adopted)

Was Obama exempted from the "natural born" requirement by this statement ... no (he was not alive at the time the Constitution was adopted)

In your opinion the leader of the Soviet Union could knock up a teenage American girl, raise a boy during his formative years on foreign soil, indoctrinate him in communistic/socialistic/marxist government, and then buy the U.S. presidency for him via advertising through the main stream media. I respectfully disagree.

The Framers recognized this potential scenario and specifically protected against it. And here we are, as a nation, generations later largely oblivious to potential problem and willing to toss the Constitutional protections entirely in an effort to allow one single under-qualified junior Senator from Illinois, ripe with governmental corruption, to assume the mantle of POTUS. Why? He's not worth it. For that matter, neither is McCain.

When you say "That's the end of it", you are correct. The only problem is, you are speaking only in terms this election. Some of us see the larger picture in terms of the losing the protections afforded us through adherence to the Constitution.
94 posted on 12/15/2008 11:09:03 AM PST by so_real
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To: Sci Fi Guy
Enough Already. The people voted. Respect the vote.

Enough Already. The Constitution has spoken. Respect the Constitution.

95 posted on 12/15/2008 11:37:30 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: CaribouCrossing

Thank you, sir! I suspect within our own ranks we have a two-part issue. First, many seem not to understand the difference between a “democracy” and a “republic”. They believe we have a “democracy” (a popular-vote mob-rule style government for you lurkers) and do not appreciate the safety-net a “republic” provides. And second, they have adopted the “global” view on society. They cannot comprehend the stark differences between “western” values and the rest of the world. I’m afraid the only real “fix” is for them to attain what they so desperately want, destroy the republic utterly, and then strive to rebuild once they are thoroughly disenchanted with the outcome. That could take generations. It’s a shame we have no Christopher Columbus to lead us to a “new world” so we could leave this corruption of thought behind ...


96 posted on 12/15/2008 12:50:22 PM PST by so_real
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To: xlib

xlib
or
relib?


97 posted on 12/15/2008 4:55:21 PM PST by Gemsbok
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To: Gemsbok

You’re voting me off the Island? Oh No! What’ll I do? Where’ll I go? The Truthers have declared me unconservative! It must be true; They know everything...


98 posted on 12/15/2008 5:46:02 PM PST by xlib
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To: xlib

Trying to overturn an election on a nonexistent technicality is not conservative: it’s madness.
***The folks who passed the 20th amendment were lunatics?

20th Amendment Sct3: “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify”
Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:59:02 AM · by Kevmo · 79 replies · 1,583+ views
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2145602/posts


99 posted on 12/16/2008 11:12:42 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

The folks who passed the 20th amendment were lunatics?

No; that would be the folks who can’t accept that Obama was born in Hawaii (or that he won.) 8 years of lefty nutcases declaring that W was illegitimate have done serious harm to the republic. I’m not going to follow their example. Obama is wrong about almost everything, but he’s going to be president; there are lots of good reasons to oppose him, but the BC business isn’t one of them.


100 posted on 12/17/2008 4:38:49 AM PST by xlib
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