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What if the President was a FRAUD?
email: ConservativeActionAlerts | 12/13/2008 | Gary Kreep

Posted on 12/13/2008 3:36:19 AM PST by IbJensen

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To: xlib
I said it’s not a constitutional argument

It is.

I am a constitutional conservative

You are not.

There is no constitutional issue concerning Baracks’ birth place.

The Constitutional issue is his lineage as much, or more so, than his point of origin.

Again, give it up.

No. Good luck with your campaign to end the campaign to defend the Constitution.
61 posted on 12/13/2008 2:27:15 PM PST by so_real
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To: DJ MacWoW

Fair point; although I was offering a hypothetical not stating a fact.

State health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino has explicitly stated that both she and the registrar of vital statistics personally validated Obama’s birth certificate.

State law prohibits her from releasing the certificate herself, as we already know. For that reason she is perfectly entitled to refuse to release anyone’s B.C. (or divulge any of its contents) on her own initiative.

She has made her contact details public so if you want, I suppose you could ask her if Obama’s B.C. has been examined in the specific context of satisfying his elegibility for the Presidency.

This is neutral enough; the question is about procedures not data. She may be able to answer without in any way divulging information contained on the certificate.

Asking for anything that hints at the content of the document, strays into the territory of asking her for information that she probably has absolutely no authority to release.


62 posted on 12/13/2008 4:30:49 PM PST by Don Stadt
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To: Don Stadt
I doubt asking Fukino would get anyone a straight answer. Also on one of the threads was a recent pic of Rep Neil Abercrombie (D) with Obama. He was friends with Obama Sr and recently attacked Gov Lingle for not showing up in Philly for the Gov's meeting with Obama. She wasn't the only Gov that didn't show but she got heat. All that said, I don't think honest answers will come out of Hawaii and Gov Lingle doesn't dare answer.

There's a reason this man is hiding his college records and BC. And it can't be a good one.

63 posted on 12/13/2008 5:15:58 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: so_real

Bye now.


64 posted on 12/13/2008 5:16:09 PM PST by xlib
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To: xlib; hoosiermama
There is no constitutional issue concerning Baracks’ birth place. It’s been resolved to the satisfaction of the relevant authorities,

What authorities? No one has seen a Birth Certificate. No one has seen his college records. Who is he?

65 posted on 12/13/2008 5:50:11 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Seems his mother/grandparents may have been just as mysterious.....Have you read this?

http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/11/contrairimairi-raises-baffling.html


66 posted on 12/13/2008 6:14:21 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: hoosiermama
That's some wild stuff.

Did you see this?

Why The Media Blackout On Obama’s Citizenship

On his To The Point News website, Jack Wheeler has divulged that he knows “the true story” about Obama’s birth situation, and it is “wild,” but he - and the contact person who also runs a major news site and told him the facts - are apparently not yet prepared to reveal this shocker to the public. Wheeler said he will let the source of the information reveal it in his own time. ”...The details of what he told me is for him to reveal when he chooses, not me. I can tell you it is OMG wild.”

67 posted on 12/13/2008 6:43:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That link isn’t coming up for me....Get’s a free press page for just a second and then....can’t find server.


68 posted on 12/13/2008 7:24:34 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: joeu01
Why do you assume that the 47 % of voters will peacefully accept a usurper?

It pretty much looks that way.

A "Freedom Protest" at the steps of the United States Supreme Court in support of Donofrio v. Wells, December 5th, 2008.

69 posted on 12/13/2008 7:48:57 PM PST by Drew68
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To: hoosiermama
Link to post on FR.

Why The Media Blackout On Obama’s Citizenship

70 posted on 12/13/2008 7:57:25 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: IbJensen
What if... you woke up one morning and found out that the President of the United States was a USURPER... a FRAUD... a PHONY? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama is NOT my president.
71 posted on 12/13/2008 8:06:32 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: xlib
The fact is ... the smell test

You know truth by its smell. Lucky you. The rest of us have to work at it with experience, reason, research, experiment, and review, a constant process or refinement.

You, however, are among those gifted with a sense of Truth-smell. You, and those others like you, don't have to observe, reason, review, research, think, discuss etc. etc.

Lucky you! Lucky those like you!

LOL!

72 posted on 12/13/2008 8:15:50 PM PST by bvw
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To: Candor7
Hussein is a man who has stated his contempt for a “fundamentally flawed” constitution. I believe that he is prepared, by dint of education and inclination, to destroy or significantly weaken it. He could be our version of Julius Ceasar, a precursor to the end of our Republic, unless we oppose vigorously oppose him NOW before he gets into office. (If he can prove his natural born status, then I will accept that and oppose him on policy being CERTAIN that I will have to owing to his already professed world view)

-Kudos to DMZ Frank

73 posted on 12/14/2008 4:20:03 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: Jim Noble

Enjoy his reign.


74 posted on 12/14/2008 4:23:19 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: bvw

Sorry. I forgot I was dealing with rabid Truthers here. Let me be as clear as I can. I looked at the evidence, employing my experience, reason, research, experiment, and review, and a constant process of refinement. I learned many things. For example, I learned that, on the one hand, we have officials at all levels of the local and state government of Hawaii, along with hospital administrators, contemporaneous (1961) newspaper reports, groups like Snopes and factcheck.org (who were shown the original shortform), all affirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961, and no one in any position of authority in Hawaii raising any credible doubts about that affirmation. On the other hand, we have claims from crackpots like 9-11 Truther Philip Berg that all the aforementioned are concealing the truth, along with affidavits from Kenyan nationals with their own political axes to grind (and challenges to their credibility), and an interview (which has lots of translation problems) with Sarah Obama, who can’t seem to decide whether she’s a christian or a muslim, seeming to declare that Obama is a Kenyan native.

So, after observing, reasoning, reviewing, researching, thinking, and discussing the evidence on both sides, I concluded that a conspiracy that began in 1961, and continues to this day, among disparate agencies from the newspapers (or their hidden manipulators) in 1961 Hawaii to the current SCOTUS, seems less plausible (to put it kindly) than that US naysayers and the Kenyan sources are wrong. I summarized that by saying it doesn’t pass the smell test.

I know there’s no hope of persuading you; I’ve dealt with this sort of thing before. Only you have the real facts, only you have done the real research, only you can see through the smokescreen to the underlying conspiracy, etc etc...

Enough already. You’re making us all look like idiots.


75 posted on 12/14/2008 7:44:28 AM PST by xlib
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To: xlib
Sorry. I forgot I was dealing with ... [calumny of others and self-justification follows]

The only person you are dealing with is yourself. And your chosen spins that make yourself big while making others small.

76 posted on 12/14/2008 7:50:23 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

Excellent rebuttal! Bye now.


77 posted on 12/14/2008 7:57:27 AM PST by xlib
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To: xlib
I read your post, what wasn't vile slander was some half-coked mixture of reported facts and make believe. Evidently, with your great sense of Truth-smell, you can't tell the difference. I'm thankful that many of teh rest of us don't work by smell, instead we actually look into things, and cross-check -- such tasks totally unneeded with your gift of smell. Yet look at the results!

I'm so glad the rest of us do NOT have your gifted nose!

78 posted on 12/14/2008 8:02:52 AM PST by bvw
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To: IbJensen
If anything on the original doctor-signed vault certificate does not match the thing posted on the Obama website, it's fraud. If the guy here who analyzed the COLB posted is correct, Obama should be history. THAT is why I want to see the vault original. It won't matter if his dad was a Kenyan or Brit. It won't matter if he was born in the US or Kenya or Canada. It won't matter if he became an Indonesian or is still named Soetoro.
79 posted on 12/14/2008 8:14:11 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

OBOMBA'S PHONY BIRTH CERTIFICATE

HAWAII OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

80 posted on 12/15/2008 3:48:08 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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