Posted on 12/13/2008 3:36:19 AM PST by IbJensen
Does that include the fraudulent ACORN votes from the dead, the graveyards, dogs and cats too?
Just asking.
Obama will face no consequences about the birth certificate controversy....IMO
If we’d be talking about a Republican having this problem, the newspapers would be all over it.
When I mentioned this to a few people, they knew NOTHING about it. This is just the beginning of how Obama will be protected by the media.
My point was a) you don't actually know what these peasants have said, if anything; and b) there are reasons that hearsay (and this isn't even real hearsay, it's "netsay") is not evidence in our tradition.
Yeah. To hell with the Constitution. It was YEARS ago that anybody died for it! /sarc
So if enough people wrote in votes for Robert Mugabe to get him 270 electoral votes, would you be okay with that? How about Vladimir Putin? How about Hugo Chavez, or Fidel Castro?
The Founders put that requirement in the Constitution for a reason. They Founded a Constitutional Republic for a reason. I trust their wisdom (yes, dead white guys that they are) more than that of a media-manipulated hoard of sheeple who elected an empty-suit Marxist Alinskyite of questionable background and credentials and who is nothing but a fabrication of the media.
Resistance to the marxists thugs is futile is it not?
Ahhhh...Errrrr...
Respect the constitution?
Don't you know that the Obama admin is so progressive it will replace the old Left “living constitution” with the new Left officially defunct “anachronistic constitution?”
Adapt or be “re-educated!”
The camps will be waiting.
That's not even an argument. The fact is, Obama is a natural born citizen. I've looked at Berg's arguments; I've read all about Kenyan claims; none of it passes the smell test.
I think 47% of the population is more than capable of taking care of themselves and each other.
If being a Conservative and defending the Constitution is too much work for you, get out of they way. We'll take it from here. It's a shame you will forever be blind to the service we perform to your benefit and on your behalf.
Being a conservative means, in part, accepting reality, and picking your battles wisely. Trying to overturn an election on a nonexistent technicality is not conservative: it's madness. The constitution is under assault from many quarters, and there's plenty of work to do. The Obama birth truthers are not conservative, and they're not defending the constitution. They're trying to overturn the results of an election they are unhappy about, just like the SoreLosermen 8 years ago. The difference is, this time the count is not in doubt. We didn't steal the election in 2000; Bush won by the rules. Now, Obama has won by the rules. I will oppose his liberal policies, and I will support him when I can; that is the conservative way. It is you, and others who won't let this go, who are in the way of the restoration of conservatism.
We got one in power now - he passed himself off as a Republican.
Hussein must offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a natural born citizen. He has been legally challenged. Rather than produce the requisite documents, he has lawyered up like a Mafia Don. He has spent over 800 G’s on three legal firms, and is thumbing his nose at many of the American people’s demands that he satisfy a basic constitutional requirement. He has insulted our intelligence by proffering an obviously fraudulent Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth as proof of his natural born status, despite the criminal ramifications of such actions.
Three presidential candidates have had their constitutional eligibility challenged in the 20th and 21st centuries, Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain. All of these men produced the requested documentation for legal analysis. None of them hid behind surrogates and all of them at one time or other addressed the issue in public. None of them relied exclusively on surrogates to speak for them on this matter.
Far more damage will be done to the country if a usurper is allowed to take office, subsequently shown to be ineligible after having signed legislation, initiated ratified treaties, made appointments to US offices, ordered troop movements, only to have all those official acts reversed after the truth comes out. I would rather deal with the riots attendant on keeping him out of office than face a civil war. That war will not be a War Between the States like our affair in the mid 19th Century, where one faction wanted to secede and leave the Fed Gov intact. Both sides, with the exception of Guerrilla skirmishes in the border states, faced off using Napoleonic era tactics with clearly delineated borders. This conflict would be an intermingled inter and intrastate struggle over who controls the government. It would be ugly and probably brutal beyond belief. We must do all that we can do NOW to prevent such a hideous possibility.
If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.
We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing acquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who believe in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.
Ask yourself, what kind of narcissistic, self absorbed individual rends the public tranquility like this when the remedy is so easy for a legitimate candidate? The arrogance and effrontery of this man is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiescence of enough people, he will succeed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real possibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.
Many decry us for undertaking a hopelessly Quixotic enterprise, doomed to failure. Perhaps so. Therefore, I recall you to a time when a group of men, who were attempting to bring a new vision of liberty and democratic republican governance to the world vowed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that task. Yes, the group of men who were the Founders. I believe that Barack Obama is a unique domestic threat to the republic that they founded that I have never seen before in my lifetime. Hussein is a man who has stated his contempt for a “fundamentally flawed” constitution. I believe that he is prepared, by dint of education and inclination, to destroy or significantly weaken it. He could be our version of Julius Ceasar, a precursor to the end of our Republic, unless we oppose vigorously oppose him NOW before he gets into office. (If he can prove his natural born status, then I will accept that and oppose him on policy being CERTAIN that I will have to owing to his already professed world view)
Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.
Well, no, since the scenario you describe wouldn't run afoul of the "natural born citizen" requirement, unless the child was born outside the US. As to proof, unless there's a massive conspiracy which includes hospital bureaucrats, local newspapers (in 1961!) and local and state government officials in Hawaii as well as numerous judges up to and including at least 4 Supreme Court Justices, the proof has been provided to the people who need to see it. I don't have to prove a thing, and I have examined the "proof" that's being circulated by the birth-truthers. It's not just lame; it's Andrew Sullivan lame. (Or do you think Sullivan has a right to Trig's birth certificate too?) Worse, to the extent it gains any traction (which thankfully it's not) it threatens conservatism by making us all look like tin-foil-hatters.
wow, that was long.
I stopped reading after it said congress could pass a new law. Can’t pass a law ex post facto.
Words mean things. I didn’t say your scenario was not troubling; I said it’s not a constitutional argument, absent Putin’s “love child” being born outside the US. I dont “feel” I am a constitutional conservative; I am. There is no constitutional issue concerning Baracks’ birth place. It’s been resolved to the satisfaction of the relevant authorities, and the vast majority of conservatives. I find many things about Obama troubling, as I said. But this line of attack is worse than erroneous; it’s counter to the conservative cause. It makes us no better than the Kos kids, the 911 “truthers” or DU.
Again, give it up. There’s real work to be done.
If it were resolved to the relavent satisfaction of authorities, then why doesn’t the State Dept. claim to have a copy. It is this Dept. that has requested the copy multiple times, as is the case for any Candidate. All other Candidates provided proof. A verifiable original or copy of the original vault certificate.
Obama has only produced a doctored-up COLB image.
Obama should not be allowed to trample on the Constitution and he isn’t even President yet.
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