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To: Red_Devil 232

What is the procedure after the objection is signed and received (by the President of the Senate)? Is it read to the joint session? Is it thrown open for discussion and debate?


110 posted on 12/17/2008 2:34:24 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
It is pretty darn complicated reading.

Basicly what happens is the Senators go back to the Senate where they then decide yes or no on the objection(s) and the House does the same thing. Then they meet again in the House chambers for a reading of the decisions.

Here is the rest of the code (if anyone can translate it please do):

Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received.

When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified.

If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.

But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.

When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted.

No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

113 posted on 12/17/2008 3:54:03 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: justiceseeker93

(Picking up where the last paragraph ended...)

When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified.

If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.

But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.

When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted.

No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.


116 posted on 12/17/2008 4:08:29 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: justiceseeker93
What is the procedure after the objection is signed and received (by the President of the Senate)? Is it read to the joint session? Is it thrown open for discussion and debate?

Each house meets separately and debates and then votes on the objection. Then the two houses reconvene jointly to continue the count. Unless there is a majority vote of both houses of Congress to reject any electoral votes, the joint session must count them.

119 posted on 12/17/2008 4:27:47 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: justiceseeker93
Most of the verbiage seems to be focused on the count of the vote itself and the legitimacy of the individual votes. If I understand it correctly an objection to a vote for a candidate based on that candidates qualifications would affect all votes for that candidate. The answer to your question is probably in the last paragraph.

“No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.”

So, if the objection is made at the first mention of any vote or votes for B.O. the process must stop right there. Technically the overseer of the vote is the current Vice-President and that is Vice-President Dick Cheney. Where President Bush might waver at such a decision I can envision Dick Cheney with a mental smile in the back of his thoughts while he orders the proceedings to a halt until the shall have been finally disposed of requirement has been met.

Based upon the nature of the objection to the vote there is only one way to “finally dispose of” the objection.

Produce his REAL birth certificate, the one the Hawaiian “officials” have clearly stated is in a vault somewhere in the State of Hawaii.

120 posted on 12/17/2008 4:32:16 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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