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Need Advice on Anti Virus and Firewall Apps

Posted on 01/24/2009 4:17:17 AM PST by savedbygrace

I've used Semantec, Grisoft's AVG, and Panda AV apps. None of those have been satisfactory. They all tend to use too much system resources, or cause other problems.

Currently, I'm using Panda AV, but it is causing start up problems and it seems to have a mind of its own WRT running scans.

On the firewall front, I've used Zone Alarm Pro, but it slows my WinXP computer down. I've forgotten the names of the succession of other firewall apps I've used. Currently, the Panda AV app I'm using also provides a firewall.

I'm not defenseless even without a firewall app, because I have a hardware router.

So, bottom line: What anti virus and firewall apps would you recommend?


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I've heard good things about BitDefender and NOD32.

Opinions? Other recommendations?

1 posted on 01/24/2009 4:17:20 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
I began using Blink Personal a few months ago. So far, very happy. It's anti-virus, firewall and intrusion protection all wrapped into one application. And it doesn't seem to hog system resources.

I can be downloaded free for a single PC. I have two PC's networked so I bought a 3 PC license for $39.00 (I believe was the $).

Blink® Personal Edition

2 posted on 01/24/2009 4:22:46 AM PST by bcsco (Illinois politicians should be read their Miranda rights when sworn in to office...)
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To: savedbygrace

Kaspersky Internet Security 2009 has a much smaller system resource footprint than Norton Internet Security 2008, which I currently use. KIS 2009 is kinda lame with parental controls and spam filtering, but its firewall and anti-virus is top notch. Seem as though both of the fore mentioned 2009 release products have developed ‘trusted file integration’ apps to reduce scan times, etc. I’ve installed KIS 2009 on 2 neighbors networks and they haven’t had a problem yet for 2 months now.


3 posted on 01/24/2009 4:23:18 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: savedbygrace

Both of those are good and if I remember correctly BitDefender was easier on system resources. Kapersky is also very good but a bear on sr’s. I got tired of the yearly subscription scam and I just use the CA I got free with Roadrunner and the CA firewall. I have used CA and Firefox for 4 years and have never had a virus.


4 posted on 01/24/2009 4:25:21 AM PST by WildcatClan (Obama is to the Presidency as Basquiat is to art.)
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To: savedbygrace

unfortunately, antivirus and antispam software are always a step behind. Once you get infected, you ultimate are screwed. If you have the resources, ditch the PC and buy a Mac. While Macs aren’t 100% safe either, they enjoy being much less of a threat than swiss cheese PCs.


5 posted on 01/24/2009 4:30:44 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: savedbygrace
FYI: Kaspersky 2009 was the first such product released to identify and notify the user of the problems associated security issues with all but the newest versions of Java (Sun Microsystems), macromedia and shockwave flashplayers (Adobe).

You need to go to Sun and Adobe's web sites to read up on these particular issues. IE7 is the most vulnerable at this time as Microshaft has mot made a good fix for either of them yet.

I use Firefox.

Be warned you need some skill with the PC and OS to first completely remove the older versions of the software (browser plug-ins geared for video) before installing the newest versions. Oct 15 2008 and Dec 23, 2008 is when this hit the fan. I've been fixing this issue for friends......give it an hour or 2 to get it done and then verify your work.

6 posted on 01/24/2009 4:33:37 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Nightshift; tutstar

read later


7 posted on 01/24/2009 4:37:20 AM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: HAL9000; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Swordmaker; Malsua

tech help ping.

I am interested too.

Thanks guys for all your info.


8 posted on 01/24/2009 4:37:39 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: savedbygrace

Bitdefender crashed my system. I use avast and have had no problems.

“I’m not defenseless even without a firewall app, because I have a hardware router. “

THIS IS NOT TRUE. Firewalls will not stop email viruses or web based viruses. Nor will they stop attacks which use open ports.


9 posted on 01/24/2009 4:40:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: savedbygrace

AVG used to be good, now it’s bloated.

Avast is hands-down, the best. And free.


10 posted on 01/24/2009 4:43:54 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: WildcatClan
I've been using Firefox since ver 1.5 and I preach it to my friends. Any DOS crap / Windoze systems running XP/VISTA has to have at least 2 Gb of RAM as not to crawl. Currently I am in the process of a new build and then demote an old Dell on the network for a front end firewall / AV to run in ubuntu before the wireless router. Linux will pretty much be blind to a hacker and the method I will use to deploy it. Everything behind that, except to the most skilled hacker (US goobermint in particular), will be pretty much invisible. Still that doesn't 100% remove the risks associated with downloaded trojans, malware, viruses.

.Corporate made the decision to go MS years ago...I was forced then to learn Windoze, so I use it at home to interface with work....I like it when I get the opportunity to play with MAC's and their apps.

11 posted on 01/24/2009 4:44:43 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: driftdiver

I understand that, and I probably should have worded that statement differently. I would not want to run without a software firewall, but the hardware firewall does provide some protection, thus I’m not ‘defenseless’.

What sort of system do you have? WinXP? Dell? Home made? How old?

I built this WinXP SP2 box some years ago, so it’s getting long in the tooth. An old Asus 2.4GHz mobo in an Antec 1080 full tower, a tank of a case.


12 posted on 01/24/2009 4:46:50 AM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: driftdiver
Most folks out there (60-70%) never change their router's default IP address and password, not to mention deploying WPA2 and MAC filtering.

That's one of the biggest security problems for most users addicted to the Internet.

13 posted on 01/24/2009 4:49:08 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: savedbygrace

McAfee is by far the best and most user friendly computer protection I’ve ever used. They have a package on sale now for $29.00 (for one year). It’s 25% off reg price.


VirusScan Plus
Essential, Easy-to-Use PC Protection with Powerful Web Site Safety Advisor:

Anti-virus
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Web Site Safety Ratings

http://us.mcafee.com/


14 posted on 01/24/2009 4:50:02 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: savedbygrace

I have tried many and currently use Avast antivirus and Comodo firewall which are both free.


15 posted on 01/24/2009 4:54:33 AM PST by SC DOC
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To: savedbygrace

I have tried many and currently use Avast antivirus and Comodo firewall which are both free.


16 posted on 01/24/2009 4:54:38 AM PST by SC DOC
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To: savedbygrace

I’ve had good success with an older version of the Kerio personal firewall, it’s version 2.1.4 - if you can’t find it online, Freepmail me and I can send you the setup program.

On antivirus? I kind of like the Avira free version, if you don’t mind the periodic nag screen ‘urging’ you to buy the full featured version with bells, whistles, and an automatic ass-scratcher.


17 posted on 01/24/2009 4:54:55 AM PST by mkjessup (All *HAIL* the illegal regime of TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"))
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To: savedbygrace
Windows XP comes with a built-in firewall (as of service pack 2). Just use that.

For anti-malware, use Windows Defender. This comes built-in with Vista but you can get it for free with XP.

For anti-virus, I like ClamWin because it is Open-Source software. It runs very light in the background since it does not do any real-time scanning.

Between the above 3 things, and keeping your Windows installation patched and up-to-date, you should be fine.
18 posted on 01/24/2009 4:55:06 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: savedbygrace

Another vote for Avast!


19 posted on 01/24/2009 4:55:23 AM PST by listenhillary
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To: savedbygrace

I have been using AVG Free for years with no problems of any sort and, NO INFECTIONS. I had McAfee before that and paid them annually and got virii twice in two yaers that McAfee couldn’t handle and didn’t even notice. AVG doesn’t slow up my box the way McAfee did, either. I do need a good firewall, now though. Most of them seem to come laden with anti virus and other stuff I neither need nor want.


20 posted on 01/24/2009 4:55:55 AM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: driftdiver

“THIS IS NOT TRUE. Firewalls will not stop email viruses or web based viruses. Nor will they stop attacks which use open ports.”

I believe the routers do stop the open port attacks, however. Educate me if I am wrong on this.

I run a router with no firewall on the computer.


21 posted on 01/24/2009 5:00:32 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: savedbygrace
I've extensively used the most popular commercial programs and the have all be resource hogs. The most lightweight program I have used that seems to work and get good reviews is AVAST. It's free for personal use, and I am using it on 5 different home PC’s without issues.

As for S/W Firewalls, personally I think they are a waste of time if you have a H/W one set up.

The Hardest thing you will go through is trying to get all of the old programs uninstalled (trust me).

22 posted on 01/24/2009 5:02:18 AM PST by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: savedbygrace

23 posted on 01/24/2009 5:04:03 AM PST by zeebee
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To: savedbygrace

Regrettably, both firewall and anti-virus programs quickly turn in to glutware.

I dropped McAfee and Trend Micro and ZoneAlarm years ago for that very reason. They took up too many system resources.

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Now, I use an older version of Comodo Firewall (free for home use) because it makes my computer nearly invisible to the outside world. Upgrades of ZoneAlarm conflicted with too many other programs, etc. I have not updated Comodo because the old version works and does not conflict with the programs I use.

I also use AVG 8, but had to turn off everything except the auto update, email check and Anti-Virus. All their other background stuff caused a system slowdown. I liked ver 7/7.5, but was forced in to 8 for auto-updates.

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Most of these programs grow in to glutware, as their developers need to keep adding things to sell updates. It becomes a vicious circle.

I have seen anti-virus programs exceed 30 meg and firewall programs grows from 5 megs to 30 megs.

I recently upgraded XP sp2 with all the MS updates. Something caused a conflict with my PCTV card. I had to back up to a previous system image.

I hate upgrades. Many times, they create more problems than they solve. I have stopped upgrading my home system, except for essential programs such as AVG.


24 posted on 01/24/2009 5:05:43 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Poser

“I believe the routers do stop the open port attacks, however. Educate me if I am wrong on this.”

Routers have some utility in controlling traffic because their purpose is to route the data packets. If something is addressed to your IP it will deliver it to you PC.

Some routers have firewall features which on the residential end is sufficient for most users.

A router and or firewall is not a replacement for anti-virus on windows desktops. There are simply too many people writing malicious code which neither of these will stop.


25 posted on 01/24/2009 5:09:34 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TomGuy
I recently upgraded XP sp2 with all the MS updates. Something caused a conflict with my PCTV card. I had to back up to a previous system image.

I had to recently install a LAN card because the MB LAN died. I had to reactivate XP. How many times will they let you do that before you have to call them?

26 posted on 01/24/2009 5:11:45 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: savedbygrace
I just built a Q6700 Quad on an Intel mombo, Raid, etc. My second build (in process) will be using an ASUS PQ5 SE Plus and an Intel CD2 E7300. Both CPU's are stock clock at 2.66 GHz. Unfortunately I am having to wait on Rosewill to replace the DOA power supply unit that came with the case combo for the second build (PITA).

Sounds as though you have a solid tank there with the Antec. A good build.

Unless a gamer, extreme overclocking is a waste as FSB speed for the RAM (bandwidth), a 64 bit OS and 4+ GB RAM is what makes a system fast. Even at 2.66, I am finding Quads and Duo's are fast enough bar video and audio editing. Newer 3.0 GB/s HDD's and vid cards w/ 512 MB DDR2 memory and at lest 32 streaming processors really kick up the performance of the PC.

I do plan on taking that cooler running E7300 CPU to 3.0 GHz with the FSB set to 1066.

27 posted on 01/24/2009 5:16:29 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: savedbygrace
It may be time for more processing power...as in new hardware? Sounds like you have the perfect excuse to move up.....

I like my HP HDX 18 with 2.80 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo,64 kilobyte primary memory cache, 6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache, 4094 Megabytes Installed Memory.....It runs like a Ferrari compared to my old Dell Pinto.

My AVG and SPYBOT run in minutes rather than hours.

28 posted on 01/24/2009 5:18:42 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: raybbr

Bookmark


29 posted on 01/24/2009 5:21:05 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: TomGuy
Good post TomGuy, so true.....because I do not control all the surfing at home, I tried to figure a means to help shore up security. I am very interested in using Comodo and AVG on the front firewall I am eagerly waiting to deploy.

I too, since about mid last June have notice more and more problems with system performance and hangs with 'auto updates' from Microshaft.

Training MIS 2008 to accept new software has become a real pain.

My tracecerts have logged several hacker attempts since mid-June originating from mainland China, eastern Europe, SE PAcific islands, and the ME. Seems that this happens most when I visit unknown, not trusted websites. I suspect those sites have been hacked as many are here in the US....no, no porn, neither.

Norton has been darn good about catching those instantly. Still, the hackers get through the modem to the older Dell, but, as far as I know, my Linksys router and IS 2008 on the other PC's haven't been affected; they can't get past those as of yet.

I do not think most FReepers realize the increased level of such activity since mid-June. This seems to correlate precisely with the steep global economic decline starting then. I have a friend in IS at work...he's our security dude and he's darn good....I am learning a lot from him on these issues. Just wish he wouldn't screw with my workstation at work...he's seeing how much I've learned....yaho LOL!!

30 posted on 01/24/2009 5:32:21 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

“AVG used to be good, now it’s bloated.”

I still use AVG, but I agree. The old version was great. Small imprint and did everything you needed it to do.

I haven’t researched avast. Thanks for the tip.


31 posted on 01/24/2009 5:34:10 AM PST by CriticalJ
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To: cbkaty

SPYBOT is darn good...especially SDHelper and TeaTimer running while browsing. Do you use HIJACK THIS?


32 posted on 01/24/2009 5:37:31 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Poser

Test your firewall with Gibson Research’s free scan.

https://www.grc.com/default.htm

Arrow down to the Shields Up section.


33 posted on 01/24/2009 5:41:25 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: savedbygrace

BTW, please I apologize for not mentioning this earlier...both Norton and Kaspersky 2009 versions will cause you serious problems if you try to run other security software at the same time....that’s a big downfall. It’s not a big issue if only one is running and you want to disable one temporarily and run the other.....I have found, on occasion, some of the freeware to catch spyware and malware Norton was asleep on.


34 posted on 01/24/2009 5:42:31 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: raybbr
I had to reactivate XP. How many times will they let you do that before you have to call them?

I don't know if there is a limit. I do have a legal copy of XP and I have used it a couple of times to restore the system.

Last year, I discovered a program called CloneGenius. It creates image files of partitions/drives. I have used it several times to clone and restore my OS partition (30 meg). CloneGenius restores the partition to the condition it was in at the cloning. I don't have to spend weeks reinstalling programs and resetting XP tweaks. I have OS and installed programs on drive C (partition) (approx 30 megs) and data on drive (partition) D. That way, I don't lose any data files when I reinstall the cloned image to the C partition/drive.

CloneGenius link:

http://www.spotmau.com/products/package/clone_genius.html
35 posted on 01/24/2009 5:52:45 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: RSmithOpt

No worries. I’m not jumping quickly on this, though I do want to make a decision very soon. Panda is driving me carazy!


36 posted on 01/24/2009 5:54:47 AM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: TomGuy
Thanks a wallup TomGuy!!...If we ever meet I'll buy you a drink of your choosing.

That is a good site...Gibson cannot see this PC at all, only the reverse DNS for the DSL modem. Will check the other 2 PC's later.

I will say, for the most part, the folks on FR are of outstanding caliber, knowledge and help.

37 posted on 01/24/2009 5:55:07 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: TomGuy

Thanks for the info. Where does it store the clone?


38 posted on 01/24/2009 5:58:50 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: RSmithOpt

I just installed Kaspersky 2009 on two computers and they crash constantly. One had Kaspersky 2008 on it with no problems. I removed it from the one that never had it and it works fine. The other one is still crashing.Is there any way to fix the problem? I get a “driver “ notice from Microsoft every time it crashes.
Thanks.


39 posted on 01/24/2009 6:00:26 AM PST by COUNTrecount (http://obamaclock.org/)
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To: savedbygrace
So sorry.....too early in the morning for a beer to calm you down.

I have found that doing a quite of bit of research from various geek sites, overclockers in particular, has taught me a lot....and then here on FR...there's TomGuy.

Nuf said.

A good friend, ex-Navy electronics tech on a boomer, has moved on to better opportunities out of state. His abilities with PC's, Internet, power, communication, etc., (oh and cooking and drinking when he decided to) astounded me...dearly miss hanging with him.

That relationship proves the Army and the Navy can work together for beneficial interests of both branches. LOL!!

40 posted on 01/24/2009 6:03:12 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: savedbygrace
I have been using VIPRE by Sunbelt and so far, so good.
41 posted on 01/24/2009 6:09:18 AM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: COUNTrecount
I haven't seen that yet with KIS 2009...what kind of router / modem are you using? I know I had to spank Embarq (my ISP) for some of their crap a while back...sent them a nasty email to persuade them in allowing users to disable their crap. It screwed with Norton and the browser regularly.

I'll bookmark this thread and try to run down your issue....it'll take a little time to investigate.

Sorry to hear that as I was thinking on dumping Norton next month to use KIS 2009. Did you update your ver of KIS? I read somewhere (can't remember) that KIS 2009 initially had a problem like that but, supposedly had been fixed in December??

42 posted on 01/24/2009 6:09:42 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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43 posted on 01/24/2009 6:13:18 AM PST by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: raybbr
Where does it store the clone?

It creates a series of 'files' of about 2 megs each. It gives you the option of saving them to another partition or drive. It recognizes USB port drives, too, so you can save to the newer USB drives.

My OS/Programs partition is about 30 megs. Clonegenius creates about 13 files of 2 megs each for that partition. Uncompressed, the clone and restore operations take about 40 minutes each. That is sure better than an clean XP install that takes up to 12 hours and then weeks of tweaking and reinstalling programs.


44 posted on 01/24/2009 6:17:14 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: savedbygrace
Spend the money and get the best. Eset's Nod32 is the best anti-virus as tested against the broad panoply of known viruses. I has a small footprint and is reasonably easy to use.

The other "best" is Kaspersky. It performs almost as well as Nod32 but is somewhat easier to install.

I use Nod32 and have never had any difficulty in installing it.

From this review, Top Ten Review It appears that BitDefender is also a "best." My two cents.
45 posted on 01/24/2009 6:18:33 AM PST by Sudetenland (Those diplomats serve best, who serve as cannon fodder to protect our troops!)
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To: savedbygrace; All

Odd thing just happened in Photobucket. I was going to change a few files around and a complete unknown page pops up telling me my computer is infected and wanted to scan. I deleted it, and don’t have time to check it right now as I’m off to work. It was not my antivirus from Ca Security.

Has this happened to anyone?


46 posted on 01/24/2009 6:27:49 AM PST by WestCoastGal (If we will hold the course, God in Heaven will raise up friends to help fight these battles.P Henry)
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To: TomGuy
Thanks again. It looks like I am going to have to buy an external drive. I have been looking at them for some time. It's hard to choose. I would prefer one that has a separate power supply and does not run off of USB power. I wish I had a e-Sata MB.

The front port on my MB for some reason will only run USB 1.1. Every time I plug something into to it XP tells me "This device could run faster if it was USB 2.0".

Not a real problem but could take forever to do a back up. The back ports seem ok but I am using them right now.

I am going to have to browse NewEgg for an external drive.

47 posted on 01/24/2009 6:31:38 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: raybbr

If you have an open slot inside your pc, you can buy additional USB port cards. They aren’t very expensive.

Also, you can guy additional 4-port and 7-point appliances.


48 posted on 01/24/2009 6:57:19 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: savedbygrace

look into Threatfire from PC Tools.

It works on identifying and stopping potentially malicious behavior as it occurs instead of scanning to find items after they are in your computer and have been identified by a traditional anti-virus program.

I use it with AVG.


49 posted on 01/24/2009 7:19:37 AM PST by wildbill
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To: TomGuy

This is a good and timely thread.

We have started to develop a list of tools for PC maintenance that we can recommend to clients. So far, we have decided on:

Malwarebytes

and

Revo uninstaller.

Good for infection scanning and removing programs.


50 posted on 01/24/2009 7:43:55 AM PST by stevestras
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