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To: arrogantsob

“If you believe a state can withdraw from the Union you are barking up the wrong tree.

Federal funding does not come from “the states” it comes from American citizens”

Let us consider the argument relied on to support this view.

Great reliance is placed upon the words of the preamble: “We, the people of the United States,”

Let’s see if that holds water?

Declarations of Mr. Madison, in the Federalist, No. 39. Speaking of the ratifications by the States, he says: “This assent and ratification is to be given by the people, not as individuals composing an entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong. * * * Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act.”


25 posted on 02/11/2009 6:16:29 PM PST by Idabilly
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To: Idabilly

It was Madison who believed once a state was in the Union it was always in the Union or so he told Hamilton in rejecting acceptance of a conditional ratification. Hamilton was about to throw in the towel and accept that from the NY state ratification convention. Madison said “No!”


29 posted on 02/11/2009 7:19:09 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: Idabilly

BTW that “sovereignty” Madison mentions was ONLY in relation to the ratification. It could not be coerced by another state. And there was no other mechanism available for the expression of the political will EXCEPT through state mechanisms.

But Congress was clear that it wanted the decision taken OUT of the hands of the states. It specified special conventions out of the control of state governments.


30 posted on 02/11/2009 7:22:26 PM PST by arrogantsob
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