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To: arrogantsob
You have thrown a good deal of verbiage around on this thread that leads me, maybe wrongly, to the conclusion you believe the fedguv can pretty much do what it pleases. That the states and the people should just sit down and shut up, even in the face of a fedguv blatantly violating our Constitution?

If you wouldn't mind playing devil's advocate for a bit, what remedies do you see available to the states or to the people? Let's assume "the people", after decades of misinformation and basic laziness haven't a clue their government is using our Constitution for toilet paper. Assume also the states have been intimidated and bludgeoned into submission by the fedguv so they no longer feel adequate to the challenge of holding that fedguv to its Constitutional restraints. What next?

BTW, Washington offered several warnings in his farewell address. One of which was to guard against those that would usurp power by bypassing the restraints of the Constitution. As far as I could tell, he didn't propose any remedy for such a thing. What might he have done?

35 posted on 02/11/2009 11:29:35 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
You have thrown a good deal of verbiage around on this thread that leads me, maybe wrongly, to the conclusion you believe the fedguv can pretty much do what it pleases. That the states and the people should just sit down and shut up, even in the face of a fedguv blatantly violating our Constitution?

Arrogantsob is a typical Yankee, forcing their socialist big govt. views down the rest of the countries throat. If we in the south don't go along, I guess we'll be invaded again. Well come on then....

44 posted on 02/12/2009 4:27:57 AM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

There are many powers which are associated with those specifically mentioned. My view of what is Constitutional and what not are those of Hamilton as expressed in the Essay on the Constitutionality of the National Bank. Fedgov can neither do things prohibited by the Constitution nor those things against the spirit of the document. YOUR opinion of what a violation of the Constitution is is only that. Such a state does not become reality for the rest of the world until the US Supreme Court says it has.

Since importants elements of Federalist structure have been constitutionally destroyed I see little chance of stopping the juggernaut until disaster happens. Allowing popular election of Senators turned the nation Left as did giving women the right to vote.

With the Left in control of most of the important institutions including the religious ones there is no viable chance of an intellectual opposition winning the support of the masses. They are bought off and good. Only 50% of us pay ANY federal income taxes. Those that do are screwed.


54 posted on 02/14/2009 9:13:34 PM PST by arrogantsob
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