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To: BP2

Jr was back in HI in 1970, as we know from the interview with Weatherly Williams, regarding the first meeting of Jr and Frank Marshall Davis. Whether he returned to Indonesia after writing the entrance exams for Punahou is unknown at this time. From what classmates have said Jr attended classes in Indonesia and didn’t return from one of the breaks the school had. I haven’t found it mentioned what break that might have been, but from the sounds of it, the break occurred during the school term so Jr was there before the break but not after the break. He began attending Punahou in 1971 in grade 5 and it has been written as though he began school at Punahou in September,1971.
Sr had graduated from UH in June, 1962 according to the newspaper interviews given the day he left HI, but I do believe he was double dipping while attending UH. He didn’t complain about the high cost of living in HI but did complain once he was at Harvard. One of the main reasons he gives for picking up with Ruth was that she had money so they could do things. If he had been double dipping and receiving money not only from Elizabeth Mooney Kirk as well as from the federal government as a student of the newly formed East West Center it would explain the lack of complaining while living in the most expensive state of Hawaii! Also as an incentive East West Center students not only had tuition, books, meals,and spending money for two years but also a two month tour of the mainland afterwards.(as per a Time article I linked recently) When Ann and Lolo got married it would have been easy for her to show her divorce papers to the court and simply say she couldn’t find Sr, then the reverse could be true for another name change once she left Lolo.


60 posted on 02/22/2009 11:47:24 AM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer
Jr was back in HI in 1970, as we know from the interview with Weatherly Williams, regarding the first meeting of Jr and Frank Marshall Davis.

Williams isn't necessary to verify that; it's in "Dreams," Page 58: "I had gone for several interviews with Punahou's  admissions officer the previous summer." Meaning, in context, previous to his first attendance in Punahou's fifth grade in the fall of '71. And there's no clarification in the book as to whether he returned to Indonesia after those interviews.

From what classmates have said Jr attended classes in Indonesia and didn’t return from one of the breaks the school had. I haven’t found it mentioned what break that might have been, but from the sounds of it, the break occurred during the school term so Jr was there before the break but not after the break.

I'm afraid I'm not the first to say this, but without a link, this statement is meaningless. Do you have a link, or the copy itself, to verify this, and what year are you referring to -- 1970 or 1971?

Sr had graduated from UH in June, 1962 according to the newspaper interviews given the day he left HI, but I do believe he was double dipping while attending UH....If he had been double dipping and receiving money not only from Elizabeth Mooney Kirk as well as from the federal government as a student of the newly formed East West Center it would explain the lack of complaining while living in the most expensive state of Hawaii!

Again, do you have anything to prove this theory?

I don't disagree with the theory that perhaps Sr. was "paid" for his services as surrogate father (which would explain his being able to live in accommodations other than the YMCA or campus housing)  but something other than theory is needed to prove it.

80 posted on 02/27/2009 12:04:32 PM PST by browardchad
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