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The Realities of ‘College Education’
Pajamas Media ^ | June 15, 2009 | Abraham H. Miller

Posted on 06/18/2009 4:55:13 AM PDT by decimon

The soaring costs of a college degree are prompting colleges to consider a three-year degree program. Britain has long granted a degree for three years of college.

I would like to suggest a one-year degree program. And I don’t mean an associate’s degree.

Here are some hard facts most colleges will never tell you and most parents could not tolerate hearing. The general requirements of the first two years at most colleges are what high school should have been. That is what junior should have learned had he not been busy getting high, getting drunk, and being socially promoted.

Better high schools frequently use the same textbooks for the mandatory requirements that are used in the first two years of college. If a high school draws from the upper end of the socioeconomic scale, the courses will be more demanding than the first two years of most colleges.

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1 posted on 06/18/2009 4:55:14 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

My husband says college is over rated and he has three degrees (BS in Engineering Physics; MAM; MDiv), none of which he uses in his current job (computer programmer/developer).


2 posted on 06/18/2009 5:04:53 AM PDT by Vor Lady (DC or bust)
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To: decimon

at albertons’ deli i met a mexican kid recently graduated from a california high school that did not know

what one-third of a pound is.

he said that recently customers had taught him what one-quarter and one-half of a pound are.


3 posted on 06/18/2009 5:05:52 AM PDT by ken21 (i am not voting for a rino-progressive.)
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To: decimon

Replace classwork with a beatch of a final exam for each course. It gives the student an incentive to learn the material.


4 posted on 06/18/2009 5:06:04 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: decimon

So, based on the recently released statistic showing that on average, only 53% +/- of U.S. college students earn a four year degree within SIX years, the “three year degree” will take what, 4.5 years for HALF of all students to obtain?


5 posted on 06/18/2009 5:08:39 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Vor Lady

I have similar number of degrees and agree with him.


6 posted on 06/18/2009 5:15:10 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: decimon

I recently went back to college for my second degree and I thought it was a joke. It was like being in High School but with more Marxism...


7 posted on 06/18/2009 5:24:27 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: NMEwithin
I recently went back to college for my second degree and I thought it was a joke.

I never get a response to this, but..."testing out" through CLEP, DANTES and similar is one way to get an undergraduate degree for less than ten grand.

8 posted on 06/18/2009 5:31:04 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I did actually CLEP a few classes, others I took online so I wouldn’t have to actually listen to the Liberal instructors.


9 posted on 06/18/2009 5:37:14 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: NMEwithin
I did actually CLEP a few classes...

How did you like them?

10 posted on 06/18/2009 5:42:14 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

The Realities of ‘College Education’:

1)Keys to success in world has nothing to do with a degree

2) Who you know and who you ‘blow’—access to capital whether family, friend, political connections etc

3) Very few ideas are original, most success comes from improving on existing ideas

4) Nearly(not all) all training for ANY career could be done through much cheaper methods than the over priced four year college

5) Stop putting a bachelor degree on a pedestal to be worshiped

My college degree hangs over my toilet as a daily reminder of these realities.


11 posted on 06/18/2009 5:42:48 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: ken21

Public education is an equal opportunity waste of time. Here in Pennsylvania where many generations of ancestors have been born in America, it is routine for recent High School graduates to be unable to make change without help.


12 posted on 06/18/2009 5:46:14 AM PDT by Varda
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To: decimon

Not bad... definitely better and cheaper than sitting in those absurd classes.


13 posted on 06/18/2009 5:48:48 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: decimon
Nearly(not all) all training for ANY career could be done through much cheaper methods than the over priced four year college

I have said that for years. Also, have said that college is not about preparing people for careers, it is for breeding new liberals.

pray for our nation, and our children.

14 posted on 06/18/2009 5:53:09 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (Eph.2:8,9 2nd Tim. 2:15,)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
1)Keys to success in world has nothing to do with a degree

Success in the corporate world may require that degree.

2) Who you know and who you ‘blow’—access to capital whether family, friend, political connections etc

I never liked that attitude but it does match what I've experienced.

3) Very few ideas are original, most success comes from improving on existing ideas

Agreed.

4) Nearly(not all) all training for ANY career could be done through much cheaper methods than the over priced four year college

Much true.

5) Stop putting a bachelor degree on a pedestal to be worshiped

I don't know that the Bachelor's degree is worshiped these days. I think it's more a requirement.

15 posted on 06/18/2009 5:55:35 AM PDT by decimon
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To: NMEwithin
Not bad... definitely better and cheaper than sitting in those absurd classes.

Not only do you save on tuition but you use the textbook, or other materials, of your choice. Ne need to drop a c-note on the latest version of some textbook.

16 posted on 06/18/2009 6:00:02 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
I'm a professor of Humanities at a 4-year college. Here's the best idea of all - just give them the degree after paying the tuition upfront. More and more classes are taken on-line which is a tragedy of complicity (administration like it because it is cheap...students like it because it is easy...and faculty like it because it requires little work). So let's just cut to the chase, and save everyone the fraud of wasting time but looking productive. Would you like fries with that degree...?
17 posted on 06/18/2009 6:08:55 AM PDT by Bull Man
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To: decimon; NMEwithin
Years ago, I was a non-accountant working for a CPA firm (my education was in math/econ and finance).

To sit for the CPA, I simply bought text books of my choice and took equivalency exams offered by the state.

On the CPA exam, I outperformed some folks who had an undergraduate and graduate degree in accounting and saved at least two years of college study.

18 posted on 06/18/2009 6:12:40 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: ken21
at albertons’ deli i met a mexican kid recently graduated from a california high school that did not know what one-third of a pound is.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I once made the mistake of asking a the kid behind the Subway shop to cut my sandwich in thirds. I got that deer in the headlights look.

I now when I go to Subway, I ask, “Please cut the sandwich into 3 equal pieces.”

19 posted on 06/18/2009 6:16:01 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Bull Man
More and more classes are taken on-line which is a tragedy of complicity...

May I take it that you are not a fan of this educational mode? ;-)

20 posted on 06/18/2009 6:31:31 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
To sit for the CPA, I simply bought text books of my choice and took equivalency exams offered by the state.

Looks like you chose well. A text that informs rather than confuses is always a plus.

21 posted on 06/18/2009 6:35:25 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
And I had friends at work that were always eager to help me.
22 posted on 06/18/2009 6:38:06 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: WayneS

It depends who’s paying.


23 posted on 06/18/2009 6:45:06 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: decimon
The general requirements of the first two years at most colleges are what high school should have been.

My twin girls will be starting dual credit courses at their high school next year, and will take as much of their credit courses as they can though the local community college.

My sister has a double Nursing/Business doctorate, and has mentioned several times how much BS work is involved in a degree.

24 posted on 06/18/2009 7:02:15 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT an administrative, corporate, collective, legal, political or public entity or ~person~)
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To: decimon
The general requirements of the first two years at most colleges are what high school should have been.

I absolutely agree. Have you noticed the rise of the 'Community College'? Education has become a growth industry and the community colleges are becoming High School II offering 'developmental' courses in everything from study skills, English, and basic math. How do the kids get high school diplomas without understanding basic math and how to write a complete sentence? Has anybody ever done a study on how much money is paraded as opportunities for the 'at risk' young adults?
25 posted on 06/18/2009 7:07:39 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: 1010RD

How true. That does seem to make a difference.

I paid for the vast majority of my college education myself. I finished an engineering degree at Virginia Tech in four years, at a time when they were just starting to consider making their engineering program a five year degree (like their Architecture program) because so many were having trouble finishing it “on time”.

Since tuition, books, room & board, etc. were ultimately coming out of MY pocket (and I paid back every dime of my student loans... early!), I was truly motivated to get it finished in as little time as I could.

Many of my classmates whose parents were footing the entire cost did not seem to share my urgency.


26 posted on 06/18/2009 7:11:00 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: decimon

Sounds like I’m close to the same page as this author.

Proposal for the Free Republic High School Diploma.
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27 posted on 06/18/2009 7:23:23 AM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Kevmo

Thanks. I’ll try to read through that later today.

Something to consider is that CLEP, DANTES and some other tests can be taken at any age. They enjoy wide acceptance at RA institutions and near universal acceptance at DETC schools.


28 posted on 06/18/2009 7:35:16 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Kevmo

Read through the old threads...pretty much. Interesting stuff.

Alternate forms of “degree-getting” are easy to pursue these days and I think more people should consider them.


29 posted on 06/18/2009 3:11:28 PM PDT by decimon
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