There is a hard copy of which photos were taken and posted. I agree that the hard copy is what matters, but short of mailing a hard copies of his COLB to anyone who questions his birthplace, I don't see what else he could do besides post photos of it.
2. You stated that Obama’s COLB “meets the requirements” for passport purposes (a government office) because it presumably agrees with the definition provided in the US Passport
Not presumablely. Definitely. The passport office lays out cystal clear requirments for a birth certificate, and the COLB Obama posted meets all of them.
even though it clearly states that some short form versions are not acceptable. The linked comments do not exclude any or all short forms from its definition of certified birth certificates nor does it specify which short forms are unacceptable or why.
It's obvious from the context that some short forms are not acceptable because they do not meet the requirements stated in the same paragraph. Duh.
Short forms are not always “good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office”,
I never said they were. It's obvious from the wording of the state department that any birth certificate, whether short or long form, is good enough provided it meets the specified cretiera, namely, 1)a raised seal, 2) registrar's signature and 3) original document was filed with registrar within a year of birth.
forgetting the fact a US passport DOES NOT PROVE AMERICAN BIRTH. IT PROVES AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.
Are you stupid or are you being deliberately obtuse? Of course a passport doesn't prove American birth. However, if a brith certificate is being used to obtain a passport, then the passport is being granted on the basis of an American birth. Duh.
A short form computer generated abstract based on a fraudulent long form birth certificate (source document) would NOT be “good enough to prove American birth in any court” unless it’s a kangaroo court.
No, but if someone presents a short form birth certificate, the court accepts it as proof absent evidence of fraud. In other words, if you want to say the short form is not good enough, you have to prove there was fraud.
And no, the court isn't going to grant you access to state vital records (such as the original BC) just because you allege fraud and want to go on a fishing expedition. You have to provide some evidence that there was fraud.
I have yet to see a single birther give any evidence or even any probable cause that there was fraud invovled in the registration of Obama's birth.
There is a hard copy of something, but absent a confirmation from the State that it issued that document on that date to Obama with authentication, the online pic or “hard copy” have little value. Apart from needing to provide the original long form, there was no need to mail a hard copy of the short form to anyone, just let multiple media outlets and experts view it, and be compared to hospital records (which are also blocked). Do it all out in the open instead of staging an event behind closed doors with an organization that has a conflict of interest, or better yet submit it to Congress for authentication with full transparency. Obama promised transparency right?
Not presumablely. Definitely. The passport office lays out cystal clear requirments for a birth certificate, and the COLB Obama posted meets all of them.
It's obvious from the context that some short forms are not acceptable because they do not meet the requirements stated in the same paragraph. Duh. .
That’s it? That’s all you have. It doesn’t say that or imply that in any context.
I never said they were. It's obvious from the wording of the state department that any birth certificate, whether short or long form, is good enough provided it meets the specified cretiera, namely, 1)a raised seal, 2) registrar's signature and 3) original document was filed with registrar within a year of birth. .
Again I responded to the comment that short forms were “good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office.” Absent a limiting term, always is implied, and you misunderstood the context.
Are you stupid or are you being deliberately obtuse? Of course a passport doesn't prove American birth. However, if a brith certificate is being used to obtain a passport, then the passport is being granted on the basis of an American birth. Duh. .
Neither. Again I responded to the comment that short forms were “good enough to prove American birth in any court or government office.” A short form abstract based on a potentially fraudulent long form certificate (source document) which cannot be corroborated will not and cannot by its very nature “prove” American birth no more than laundered money proves that it was earned legally.
Also, the State of Hawaii, for example, issues birth certificates to foreign born citizens, and so the issuance of a passport based on a birth certificate does not by rule prove “American birth”, IT PROVES CITIZENSHIP at best.
No, but if someone presents a short form birth certificate, the court accepts it as proof absent evidence of fraud. In other words, if you want to say the short form is not good enough, you have to prove there was fraud.
And no, the court isn't going to grant you access to state vital records (such as the original BC) just because you allege fraud and want to go on a fishing expedition. You have to provide some evidence that there was fraud.
I have yet to see a single birther give any evidence or even any probable cause that there was fraud invovled in the registration of Obama's birth. .
You’re playing the same game all Obots play; hide the source document and demand proof that relies on it, in spite of evidence sufficient to require it. You also negated our legal system and rules of discovery, Castro would be proud, not to mention avoiding my point. In a court proceeding, the original source document would be required as well corroborating records in order to prove authenticity of all documents, as well as natural born status. Short of compelling its release, getting to that proceeding is what is at issue. Tell you what, let’s use the exact same criteria used to release Jack Ryan’s CHILD CUSTODY RECORDS.