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Psychiatrist looks "forward to the day when we the people no longer tolerate extremist politics"
http://www2.ljworld.com ^ | August 16, 2009 | Psychiatrist Dr. Joe Douglas MD

Posted on 08/16/2009 11:08:02 AM PDT by Maelstorm

Divisive Debate by Dr. Joe Douglas

As a physician I have talked with people about how they want to be treated at the end of their lives. If they knew they were dying, how much would they want done? Would they want to be at home or at a hospital or in a nursing or hospice facility? How much chemotherapy, resuscitation, diagnostic tests, feeding tubes, etc., would they want? At some point would they just want to be kept from suffering?

I also want to be able to have this sort of conversation for myself. I want eventually to be allowed to die with dignity and peace and without a great deal of medical intervention intended just to forestall death for a few more days or weeks. Some of these things need to be decided before the fact; otherwise medical personnel may be required to give us a lot more “treatment” than we might want.

This sort of discussion is what is included in the current House version of health insurance reform, and it is a far cry from the notion of “death panels” that ex-Gov. Palin and others are screeching about in a cynical and manipulative way. I look forward to the day when we the people no longer tolerate extremist politics and instead demand the kind of rational debate a true democracy requires. We can’t afford to let health care reform be derailed by this sort of divisive foolishness.

-Dr. Joe Douglas
200 Maine Street Suite A Lawrence, KS 66044
(785) 843-9192
http://www.bertnash.org/index.html

August 16, 2009

 



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KEYWORDS: doctor; extremist; healthcare; obama
If you currently go to this doctor you might want to be warned. You also might want to double check if you or a loved one are getting psychiatric treatment. I had a friend of mine tell me her doctor told her to sleep with an ex-boyfriend who is now married to help her emotionally. Another woman I know was told that her martial problems indicated she was probably gay. This man apparently thinks only the political debate he likes should be acceptable. Would he have us all drugged into submission if he had his way?

No one opposes people making decisions on how they want end of life handled. What we do oppose is making it mandatory that people forced into counseling to encourage them to choose death or as it would become in such a system "an encouraged choice" or "the reasonable choice".

Just recently my Wife's grandmother who is in her late 70s had an incident when she was switched from pills that she took to control her sugar to insulin injections, her kidney's failed, her liver failed, Doctors didn't expect her to live through the next day. Well she didn't die and though some were ready to just pull the plug because she was old and suffering. She was aware enough to agree to be put on a respirator temporarily. Luckily the person with medical power of attorney felt the need to ask her what she wanted.

Today her liver has fully recovered and her kidneys are recovering, the doctors on revaluation of her medication found she no longer needed half of it. She is off the respirator and well on her road to being her old self. If a government system had been in control of administering her wishes I believe she would now be dead rather than talking on the phone with her 2 year old grandson Jason as she was yesterday.

All of us have encountered blind bureaucracy. Do we want to turn our lives and those we love over to such a system?

1 posted on 08/16/2009 11:08:02 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

This guy needs his head examined.


2 posted on 08/16/2009 11:11:18 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: Maelstorm
Remember, Medical “Doctors”, like this clown performed some of the most inhumane experiments in human history on prisoners in Nazi death camps. Just because a fanatic tags a Dr in front of his name is no guarantee of his ethical soundness or his humanity.
3 posted on 08/16/2009 11:12:45 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Obamanomics: we have to destroy the US Economy in order to save it!)
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To: Maelstorm

This guy is basically taking the position that anyone who disagrees with him is irrational. Of course the fact that he is the one wanting to nationalize a huge portion of the economy doesn’t indicate extremism on his part. Oh no, never.


4 posted on 08/16/2009 11:12:55 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Maelstorm

....Psychiatrists have the highest suicide rate among doctors and doctors have a higher rate than the public at large.


5 posted on 08/16/2009 11:13:28 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Maelstorm

It’s called a “Living Will”. Why do I need a government official for these decisions??? Just WHO ARE the extremists here, Doc???


6 posted on 08/16/2009 11:16:03 AM PDT by Ozarkie
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To: Maelstorm

America has tolerated extremist politics since at least the 1930s, if not longer. Still waiting for the voters to reject socialist extremism and return to Constitutional normalcy. Not holding my breath.


7 posted on 08/16/2009 11:16:14 AM PDT by sourcery (Obama Lied. The Economy Died!)
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To: Maelstorm

with the rationing heaped on ahead of this “discussion”, there will surely be less options than this guy pretends


8 posted on 08/16/2009 11:16:27 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

No surprise. Lawrence, Kansas, as far as radical left wing politics go, could be called Berkley East.


9 posted on 08/16/2009 11:19:12 AM PDT by Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
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To: Maelstorm

I look forward to when there are no more communists/liberals/socialists/fascists (they’re all the same) and mooslum terrorists.


10 posted on 08/16/2009 11:22:36 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Maelstorm

The members of the American Psychological community of the 20’s and 30’s were the architechs of the National Socialist Policies made reality in Germany.

For this JO shrink:

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.”

Winston Churchill


11 posted on 08/16/2009 11:26:41 AM PDT by Marty62
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To: STONEWALLS

I wonder if this has increased through the last part of the 20th century, as they have been given more power to RUIN peoples lives?


12 posted on 08/16/2009 11:28:54 AM PDT by Marty62
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To: Maelstorm
I also want to be able to have this sort of conversation for myself. I want eventually to be allowed to die with dignity and peace and without a great deal of medical intervention intended just to forestall death for a few more days or weeks. Some of these things need to be decided before the fact; otherwise medical personnel may be required to give us a lot more “treatment” than we might want.

If you don't want to fight then that is up to you, Doc. Just don't have government paid doctors pushing it as the preferred option. I want to be hooked up to every expensive machine possible to keep me alive. I want a squad of Marines at my bedside to lay down suppressive fire if the Grim Reaper shows up in person, or more likely if a doctor tries to unplug some life support equipment. I want specialists flown in from the four corners of the world to fight death every step of the way.

I hear far too many stories of people who doctors tell are done for except for cutting off the life support who end up making a full recovery to want to give up too early.

13 posted on 08/16/2009 11:29:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: Maelstorm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2317351/posts

You mean not fighting like this?


14 posted on 08/16/2009 11:30:25 AM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Maelstorm

>>”it is a far cry from the notion of “death panels” that ex-Gov. Palin and others are screeching about in a cynical and manipulative way.”

The word “screeching” takes this out of the arena of professional discourse, and into the realm of “propaganda.”

DG


15 posted on 08/16/2009 11:30:25 AM PDT by DoorGunner ("...and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: KarlInOhio

As a little follow on, I have been reconsidering my organ donor selection on my driver’s license. Far too many of the organs are useless if they wait until you are “100%, blood not flowing” dead before taking them, so the transplant doctors are a little quick on the trigger to get the organs while your heart is still beating. They make the utilitarian decision of taking necessary organs from one person who probably won’t survive for the next few hours to give/sell (little difference considering the price the medical system charges for organ removal/transport/implant) to someone who might not survive without them.


16 posted on 08/16/2009 11:34:25 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: Maelstorm
This guy is trying a bait-n-switch argument. The 'death panels' aren't necessarily the end-of-life consultations. The 'death panels' are those who decide whether or not you, or anyone in your situation, gets a treatment or not. And you won't be consulted.

Trig Palin would not be affected by the end-of-life panels for some years, but would be effected immediately if Downs Syndrome patients are put in a class where it's not considered economically efficient to do much more than prescribe aspirin.

The Death Panels include that panel that decides that 100 (or whatever number) is the right number of cardiac patients to handle in a given area, and the 101st should just take aspirin and wait.

By deciding how many should live, they are deciding how many should die.

17 posted on 08/16/2009 11:37:48 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: Maelstorm
This sort of discussion is what is included in the current House version of health insurance reform, and it is a far cry from the notion of “death panels” that ex-Gov. Palin and others are screeching about in a cynical and manipulative way.

How many times do we have to say this. The Death Panels are not the discussion between the doctor and the patient about long term options. The Death Panels are the Washington bureaucrats who will decide how many angioplasties, MRIs, hip replacements, etc. will be allowed in a fiscal year and how they will be distributed. Tough luck if the quota for angioplasties runs out in April and you have to wait until the next fiscal year starts in October before you're treated. Hope you don't die in the interim (or maybe hope you do die to clear the backlog).

18 posted on 08/16/2009 11:38:05 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: Maelstorm
All we have to do on one side is stop defining the constitutionalist position as extreme.

On the other side, we pretty much have to stop them from breeding.

19 posted on 08/16/2009 11:41:23 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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To: Maelstorm
". Some of these things need to be decided before the fact; otherwise medical personnel may be required to give us a lot more “treatment” than we might want."

Notice the pure fabrication this putz attributes to Palin and various other Rs. Palin and the opposition in general are intent on retaining what little free market health care exists. That's the only marketplace that allows the choice this putz says the Rs are attempting to take. This fabrication is intended to fool folks into believing their lower level of care is appropriate and that all should be required to support it w/o objection and with whatever reasources and treasures are demanded of them.

20 posted on 08/16/2009 11:46:15 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: KarlInOhio

They have to take organs while the heart is still beating, that’s why “brain death” is the criteria for death in these cases, not cardiac arrest.


21 posted on 08/16/2009 11:46:27 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Maelstorm
As a physician I have talked with people about how they want to be treated at the end of their lives.

So then whats the problem?

22 posted on 08/16/2009 11:52:50 AM PDT by adversarial
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To: STONEWALLS

I knew a shrink.
Specialized in family relationships counseling.
She divorced.
Became a lesbian.
Soured on traditional religion so became a pagan (”Godess”, etc).
Wanted her share of an inheritance sooner rather than later, so used her connections to elder abuse her own Mom to a premature death.
And continues a busy practice to this day.

You want HER in charge of peoples’ ability to speech as they wish (or anything else)?

Not sure about her drug habits if any, but seems people in the medical industry have a higher incidence of drug abuse.


23 posted on 08/16/2009 11:58:41 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Mainstream Media cheered: Ascension of Castro, Chavez and now Obama.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Quack, quack..”


24 posted on 08/16/2009 12:03:56 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Maelstorm

This would toss, of course — Joan of Arc, Thomas Paine, Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln .... Great idea, buddy, total conformity.


25 posted on 08/16/2009 12:04:06 PM PDT by bboop (Tar and feathers -- good back then, good now)
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To: KarlInOhio

I was considering checking yes on organ donations, but I think the euthanasia crowd is very much involved in that. Quick to pull the plug if there is someone who REALLY needs your kidney — fresh — and you are not looking too good. Of course, you could be one of those folks who is in a coma for two months and then comes to life.

The more I investigated it, the more I decided I would NEVER check that box. Sounds ‘nice,’ but it is evil.


26 posted on 08/16/2009 12:07:26 PM PDT by bboop (Tar and feathers -- good back then, good now)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Nothing against shrinks but they always make me think of David Steinberg in the sombrero on the old Smothers Brothers Show. LOL!!! I know. That was many, many moons ago.


27 posted on 08/16/2009 12:08:47 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: Maelstorm
Doctors already do this without the help of this Psychiatrist! He should mind his own business. Some patients don't want to talk about death and some do. It is an INDIVIDUAL CHOICE. Get out of people's lives unless they want 'help'!
28 posted on 08/16/2009 12:13:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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Dear Dr. Joe,

The kinds of discussions you speak of should be a daily part of your practice with your patients. You should encourage them to have advance care directives, and durable powers of attorney for medical decisions. That’s for you and your patient to discuss and decide. But in no uncertain terms - those discussions should NEVER, EVER happen as a result of a government mandate. The government should NEVER have a say in someone’s care choices. Try standing up for that doctor.

Regards,

Me.


29 posted on 08/16/2009 12:13:39 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (ESPN MNF: 3 Putzes talking about football on TV while I'm trying to watch a game.)
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To: Maelstorm

Lawrence Kansas.

Longtime home to zealots.


30 posted on 08/16/2009 12:16:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (Aint it hard when you discover that He really wasnt where its at ....Bro.)
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To: Maelstorm

I know a psychiatrist here in Nashville who is a sorta Christian conservative.

I know another one who was a contemporary of Tim Leary and Dick Alpert and is a certifiable nut.


31 posted on 08/16/2009 12:18:20 PM PDT by wardaddy (Aint it hard when you discover that He really wasnt where its at ....Bro.)
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To: Maelstorm

KANSAS GOVERNMENTAL ETHICS COMMISSION

Marci Francisco
Candidate for SECRETARY OF STATE

Marci Francisco is a Democratic member of the Kansas Senate, representing the 2nd District since 2005. She was Mayor of the Lawrence, Kansas from 1981-1983

08/08

Vickie & Joe Douglas
2804 Oxford Rd Lawrence KS

Joe: counselor mental health field

$200

http://tinyurl.com/p64hye


32 posted on 08/16/2009 12:22:13 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: sheik yerbouty

“Quack, quack..”

He’s a licensed, gooberment approved, Quack. Actually, Uncle Siggie was right about at least the shrink under discussion - “Man is polymorphously perverse”.


33 posted on 08/16/2009 12:23:16 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Maelstorm

Didn’t the Soviets try to use psychiatrists to classify political dissidents as “mentally unstable”?


34 posted on 08/16/2009 12:24:29 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Maelstorm

—Dr. Joe Douglas, fascist
200 Maine Street Suite A
Lawrence, KS 66044

(785) 843-9192


35 posted on 08/16/2009 12:24:29 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Maelstorm
I look forward to the day when we the people no longer tolerate extremist politics

Me too. No more Obamas, Clintons or Pelosis.

36 posted on 08/16/2009 12:34:14 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Maelstorm

Sounds like he thinks Gov. Palin and her kind should be rounded up, put on trains, and conveniently sent to take a “shower” so they could permanently shut the h*ll up.

Another enlightened intellectual... thrilling.


37 posted on 08/16/2009 12:50:59 PM PDT by MonicaG (Thank you to our military & veterans, with love & gratitude. XOXOXO)
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To: Maelstorm

America ‘on revaluation of her medication found she no longer needed half of it.’ but then that would crimp the drug industry’s profits a mite, eh?


38 posted on 08/16/2009 12:55:04 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Maelstorm

This guy is advocating a ‘concerned passivity’ approach regarding the increasingly bold power grabs by the party in power right now. If the public does not roll over and accept what’s handed to them, like a trained dog, then they are ‘irrational’ or ‘divisive’. So what? Typical all-purpose democrat script, the same to be found anywhere from the White House to LGF. Tiresome, and fallacious to boot.


39 posted on 08/16/2009 1:40:14 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: Maelstorm

Glad he’s not my family doctor.


40 posted on 08/16/2009 1:46:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Maelstorm

So the choice is “reform” or “reform”?

That’s not a choice.


41 posted on 08/16/2009 1:50:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A massive joke has indeed been played on the American people.")
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To: Maelstorm

“This sort of discussion is what is included in the current House version of health insurance reform”

And he knows this just exactly how? Are we to think he read and understood the bill?

All liberals lie all the time.


42 posted on 08/16/2009 1:53:28 PM PDT by dsc (The "t" in the word "often" is silent.)
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To: BenLurkin

But that is the option they wish to provide the choice that is no choice at all.


43 posted on 08/16/2009 2:34:09 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Bigger government is not reform.)
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To: CRBDeuce

Yes that would be true. I read a book a few years back on exactly this issue. I can’t remember the name at the moment but it was really eye opening. There was one story where a guy had been getting a prescription for a painkiller but had never stopped getting it refilled. He got to the point where he couldn’t walk and was demonstrating Parkinson’s like symptoms. It wasn’t till the doctor reviewed all the medications that he was taking that he found this out and took him off of it and the man fully recovered.


44 posted on 08/16/2009 2:40:29 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Bigger government is not reform.)
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To: Marty62

I agree with Winston.


45 posted on 08/16/2009 2:43:08 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Bigger government is not reform.)
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To: KarlInOhio

It comes down to a matter of trust. Who do you trust?


46 posted on 08/16/2009 2:45:47 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Bigger government is not reform.)
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To: OldArmy52

It is really amazing how many in top positions in the field are sexually deviant in some way or another.


47 posted on 08/16/2009 2:47:18 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Bigger government is not reform.)
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To: Maelstorm

This alleged psychiatrist “Joe Douglas” should know better than to ask people for hypotheticals about the distant future. Gee, isn’t it easy for healthy middle-agers to solemnly speculate about the wonderful self sacrifice they will make in 30 years if they should become unhealthy.... Yeah, those are answers you can take to the bank. What a moron.


48 posted on 08/16/2009 2:55:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: FlingWingFlyer

He’s basically a liar framing the death culture’s position as only seeking mercy for the people at the absolute end of life.

We all know that the death lovers of the left will not stop at that! Gramdma, the mentally ill and handicapped people like Terry S, are goners if the Left gets centralized power over death care. The ‘rational” doc will be able to rationalize all degrees of the death culture for a variety of reasons.


49 posted on 08/16/2009 3:50:04 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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