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To: Vincent Jappi; All
I have yet to hear someone give a rational legal argument to the following statements:

1. Obama admits he was a British citizen at birth on his website.

2. Anne Dunham had not sufficient residency in the U.S. and wasn't of sufficient age to confer U.S. citizenship on Barack at his birth in 1961.

3. If he was, in fact, born in Hawaii in 1961, he was a British citizen only, and only under British jurisdiction as a visitor to Hawaii.

4. In 1961 the U.S. did not permit dual citizenship. So even had his mother been of sufficient age and U.S. residency, he could not have gained U.S. citizenship by a Hawaiian birth through her. His Certificate of Live Birth could not grant citizenship to a British national.

5. As with any parents who are foreign nationals giving birth in the U.S., and "not under the juridiction thereof", Obama would have to return to the U.S. and undergo the naturalization process, and sign a written citizenship oath to gain U.S. citizenship for the first time. This is exactly what happens to the children of foreign tourists whose children claim citizenship under the 14th Amendment birthright. Citizenship under these circu mstances does not consti tute being "natural born".

Therefore, Obama was never a U.S. citizen as a minor, could only become one by naturalization, and if he has not done so, he is an illegal alien like his half-aunt from Kenya.

So there you have it. Case closed. . or not?

57 posted on 08/16/2009 10:45:12 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: Art in Idaho
2. Anne Dunham had not sufficient residency in the U.S. and wasn't of sufficient age to confer U.S. citizenship on Barack at his birth in 1961.

That statement only applies to births outside the US. Look it up, 8 USC 1401 g

Check the notes for changes since '61. But in any event, that law was passed under Congress power to provide a Uniform Rule of Naturalization. No such law can define "natural born citizen", and that one, like all laws since 1795 have not attempted to do so.

60 posted on 08/16/2009 10:54:14 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Art in Idaho

Never underestimate the power of high-powered attorneys, to dazzle with bs. The people as a whole do not grasp the primacy of the Constitution over statutory law. The vast majority of our Congress appear not to grasp this, either; otherwise, that stone-cold stupid Senate Resolution 511 would never have seen the light of day.

Many in positions of power in our government are actively trying to alter or remove the natural born citizen requirement. There have been at least five since the year 2000 alone. But, you have even co-sponsors of these bills to alter or remove the requirement, professing not to have studied the matter, when asked specifically about Obama’s eligibility. I’m referring specifically to Jim Inhofe, a Republican. There was an article posted to FR regarding this, within the past few days.

This thing crosses party lines, and so only political pressure is going to blow these people out of complacency, that we’ll settle back into blissful ignorance, and then the Presidency can be quietly opened up to the world.


61 posted on 08/16/2009 10:58:25 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Art in Idaho
Unfortunately US law ignores double citizenship. So the law making someone born on US soil a US citizen would apply.
On the other hand, Art II Sec.1 § 5 of the 1787 Constitution is about allegiances, and the Framers would have certainly regarded a natural-born BRITISH SUBJECT as the very VERY of person they wanted to keep away from the post of Commander-in-chief.
As a matter of fact they had little else in mind when they penned that clause.
65 posted on 08/17/2009 12:04:01 AM PDT by Vincent Jappi (Google censorship of Taitz' blog?)
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