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“No One Should Die Because They Can’t Afford Health Care” [How do we respond to this meme?]
No Third Solution ^ | Sept 4, 2009 | David Z

Posted on 09/04/2009 8:27:12 AM PDT by CMoran325

Edited on 09/04/2009 8:48:23 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Little Ray
“Food is not a right.” “Shelter is not a right.” “Health care is not a right.”

Nothing that requires the service or sacrifice of another is a right, it is a commodity. You have the right to your own health decisions, you don't have the right to demand someone serve you (ie a doctor, a chemist, a pharmacist, a nurse, etc).

41 posted on 09/04/2009 8:46:25 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: CMoran325

no one should die because a government panel decides to refuse treatment because they decide your life is not worth the cost to the governments budget.

Your life is your problem, my life is my problem. I believe in liberty.

The problem with health care costs, is not that we have too little government involvement, it is because we have too much. Medicare, Medicade, government regulations and restrictions on insurance all have distorted the marketplace, costs of insurance and health care.

Why does government prohibit true health insurance?

Insurance is individuals volunteering to pool risk against catastrophic loss. So, why does government prohibit catastrophic, multi-year insurance coverage and instead makes insurance companies provide full coverage.

Why would anyone want car insurance to cover oil changes, tire rotations, tune-ups? Don’t know about you, but I can’t afford the cost of low deductible plans and I now have $1000 deductible.

Why would anyone want home insurance to cover furance filters, chaulk, light bulbs? So, why should we be forced to have insurance to cover annual physicals? It just raises the cost for everyone.

Health insurance should only be sold to individuals, a variety of coverage options avaiable and should offer a variety of terms (10 year, 20 year, etc) just like life insurance. Buy it or not - your choice. Don’t buy it, then health care costs are your problem, not mine. You wreck your car and have no car insurance, I’m not buying you a new car either.


42 posted on 09/04/2009 8:47:40 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: CMoran325

No one and I mean absolutely no one goes without health care. There are free and/or reduced fee clinics in every county and emergency rooms under law cannot refuse to treat someone for lack of funds. Therefore, no one dies unless they fail to seek treatment, which is their own fault.


43 posted on 09/04/2009 8:48:18 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Tarpon

ABSOLUTELY. My son and daughter in law are both ER Docs and treat people every day with out health insurance. From life and death situations to “Well I just wanted to see if I was pregnant. OH, the stories they could tell.


44 posted on 09/04/2009 8:48:28 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: CMoran325
Well the heartless b@stard answer to "why should someone go broke, just because they got sick?" would be, "Life sucks, then you die". It is not the governments responsibility to make sure everyone survives an illness. It has sometimes been that those who could afford better health care survived longer than those who couldn't. Heartless, maybe, but that's the way of a free society. It is also the case that even those could CAN afford better healthcare will eventually die of something, and sometimes sooner than those who are less affluent, simply because of the choices they make in life.

It is the law of the land that anyone who shows up at an emergency room MUST be treated, so no one in this country is denied treatment. I've noticed many walk-in medical clinics recently opening. One just opened in our little town, and anyone can walk in and been seen by a doctor. I don't know how much this local place charges, but I know a Doc on the MS Gulf Coast who only charges $40 a visit, and he doesn't take Medicare or any other Health insurance payments. It's cash, check or credit card, on the barrelhead, and you'll be seen.

This is great for those who can't afford health insurance. They have a place to go for those few times they, or their kids will likely get sick in any given year, without having to shell out, in advance, for costly health insurance. It would also be a great alternative to the standard health insurance set up, because folks could get a Catastrophic Health policy to cover really expensive treatments for a serious illness, but pay for their routine care out of pocket, with the help of an HSA. This way, they're putting money in savings, where it will earn interest, and will be there to pay for sick baby visits, an annual physical, mammogram, colonoscopy, pap smear, or other preventive procedure that usually only happens once a year, or once every few years. If you add up the cost of those annual screenings, a physical for each member of the family, and throw in a couple of visits for each member for colds, etc, the total costs likely wouldn't come anywhere NEAR what folks usually pay in annual health insurance premiums, plus the co-pays required for those visits.

There are alternatives for basic health care in this country, and we don't need another layer of government bureaucracy which will only add more cost to the mix.

45 posted on 09/04/2009 8:48:57 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: CMoran325
This is my fb status for today.....Mockingbyrd thinks no one should die because they were not an expected or wanted child, and no one should go broke because they were bullied out of their livelihoods or family homes by unjust taxes.

When someone repeated the whole and no one should die due to lack of health care, I followed with this.

The right not to be killed is primary and it isn't on the same level as wanting to receive the best medical care. I want everyone to receive the best care but it is not a right.

The only rights we have are natural rights. These natural rights are all individual rights (as opposed to a group right). The right to life and property are examples of individual rights. One sign that modern medical treatment isn't a natural right is that it is modern. In other words it isn't what all people had at all times. We see from this that slavery is wrong too. It is the individual's right to work and own his own property. If there were group rights it maybe the right of one group to own another group.

This is the primary reason that I reject socialized health care. I do not believe it is the proper roll of the government.

The next reason, the one that appeals to most people, is that socialized heath care is simply worst health care. The US has the highest survival rates for major ailments. I do want not want people to die from their ailments. I want them to get better and thrive. This is why I reject socialized heath care

46 posted on 09/04/2009 8:49:11 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Boehner Baby!!!)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

ER’s don’t do chemotherapy. Chemo is not an emergency treatment. However there are government programs that will pay for your chemo if you need it - Medicade and Medicare.


47 posted on 09/04/2009 8:49:17 AM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
This started showing up on facebook yesterday. I asked a friend who posted in on her wall, “would you pay my health costs for me”. No reply.

I have a rabidly liberal activist friend who loves to post stories about people he knows who can't afford health care. I pointed out recently that he was a good person for pulling out his own checkbook and writing them a check to help them. He said he didn't, but it was important for us to have a government system, at which point I said "so, you care more about this being a political issue than you do your friend's health in that you wouldn't personally write your friend a check, you would rather them suffer without care so you can have your soap box?" Silence after that.

48 posted on 09/04/2009 8:49:46 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
“would you pay my health costs for me”. No reply.

Oh no. They want what everyone else has for free. Don't ask them to contribute anything themselves. It'll ever happen.

The multimillionaire democrat politicians are always talking about us taxpayers supporting the poor, but by golly don't you dare go near their private bank accounts!

49 posted on 09/04/2009 8:49:54 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: CMoran325
My oldest son who unfortunately voted for BO posted this on his FB page:

No one should die because they cannot afford burritos, and no one should go broke because they got sick from eating burritos. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.

His brother duplicated it on his page and I put it on mine.

I don't know if he originated it (it sounds like him) or he got it somewhere else. Maybe he is beginning to have buyers remorse although he would never admit it to me.

50 posted on 09/04/2009 8:51:38 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: CMoran325

Sound like heartless b@$t@rd$, who the hell cares what the Nazi bastards think.


51 posted on 09/04/2009 8:52:34 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

lol, I think I’ll steal that for a while.


52 posted on 09/04/2009 8:53:20 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: CMoran325

Everybody would like everybody to have health care. The problem lies in how to best achieve that. But the liberals’ plan loses credibility by these simple facts:

The liberals, including Kennedy, “fixed” health care by forming HMOs.

Today they condemn the very HMOs they created.

Now they want to fix the system again.

Do you really think they won’t do just as much damage this time?


53 posted on 09/04/2009 8:53:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: CMoran325

“No One Should Die Because They Can’t Afford Health Care”.

“Is it better that everybody have equally rotten socialist health care, with lots of unneeded death, than that most people can afford better health care than some who have to get free care?”


54 posted on 09/04/2009 8:54:26 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Jo Nuvark

I’m waiting Onumnutz to declare, “The legal system is broken.”


55 posted on 09/04/2009 8:55:30 AM PDT by Walrus (My congressman is toast in 2010 --- how about yours?)
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To: CMoran325
"No one should die because they can't afford health care."

No, but they will die waiting for it when it is rationed by the government.

56 posted on 09/04/2009 8:55:36 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Little Ray

Agree. Sadly, more and more Americans believe that food, shelter and healthcare are rights. They just don’t get the “how it all is paid for” part. They think greedy capitalist pigs should pay for it. They don’t get that it’s really you, me and all of us paying.


57 posted on 09/04/2009 8:56:44 AM PDT by Jane Long (Clean out Congress...give 'em term limits and their own dose of "government" healthcare.)
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To: CMoran325

“The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money” Margaret Thatcher

If you agree with this quote, please post it as your status the rest of the day.


58 posted on 09/04/2009 8:59:08 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Proud Citizen of the Gator Nation)
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To: Tarpon

But it’s OK for an INFANT to die because “mommy” got drunk one night!


59 posted on 09/04/2009 9:00:44 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: GatorGirl

Michelle 0bama as a hospital admin made sure she got rid of thr riff raff people that could not pay.


60 posted on 09/04/2009 9:00:55 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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