A leading evangelical says evangelicals have spread lies about LDS beliefs

“Joe Smith is the antithesis of a ‘prophet’ He was a whackjob phoney ‘snake oil salesman’ at best.”

I used to believe that, too, until the Holy Spirit touched the eyes of my understanding. I used to say that Joseph Smith thought he was Jesus Christ. I said a lot of anti Mormon things out of ignorance and stupidity and meanness. I used to be an anti Mormon, too.

Then I opened my heart to the Missionaries and allowed the Holy Spirit to enlighten me to the Truth.

Saul of Tarsus used to persecute Christians unto death. He felt he was doing God a favor by persecuting Christians. You know the story.

“Joe Smith was simply a con man and a sheister who was shot escaping from jail. No martyr story; no nothing else. Just a guy who was in religion for the money; just a flagrant chump.”

He was persecuted since age 14 and to this very day. Just like the prophesy predicted - his name would be known for good and for evil. I am happy to say I know his name for good.

He was murdered in cold blood by a mob of evil men - no trial, no judge. Very sad indeed. Joseph Smith’s wonderful brother Hyram was shot in the face and killed that day, too.

It seems like you are happy about their murders. I am sorry for you.

I have read all the lies, distortions and twisted logic about my faith. A lot of people make their living that way, selling books, DVD’s, CD’s, pamphlets, tapes and on and on and on. It mattereth not.

I think it’s cool that no one in my Church gets paid. Kind of like Paul who worked for his living. My Bishop (”pastor”) is retired; my previous Bishop was a construction worker. We have no paid clergy. The Missionaries pay their own way, giving up two years to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Oh, and how ‘bout that Mormon Tabernacle Choir! Ronald Reagan called them, “America’s Choir.” Such wonderful artists - all volunteers.

I love my Church. Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq-Q22Pf1W8

"It seems like you are happy about their murders. I am sorry for you."

~ Oh boy! So you try and lay the guilt trip, huh?

Either you don't understand or you do not have the historical records. Joe Smith was a punk; a guy who ordered the Nauvoo newspaper printing press destroyed. That's why Joe was in jail in Nauvoo. Joe smuggled in pistols, hoping to escape. (They need to add that to Joe's record). Too bad for him. Bring'em Young perpetuated the Joe's Myth.

The "book of mormon"? LOL. There is NOTHING archaeologically or anthropologically in ANY MANNER that can prove anything that snakeoil Joe said.
He was a clown of the most magnificent lower-level. A flagrant chump. Anyone who reads history realizes that. Trouble is, mormons, who in their own cult don't like to question history or read anything of their own so-called "church".

Poor Joe. Have you ever read about Joe's convoluted dreams of 'divining rod' or 'seer' stories? LOL?

Meanwhile, there were some VERY wise folks who printed stuff on Joe. Joe got miffed; upset ya' know. Full on truth of Joe's sexual daliances ( he married over 30 women, many who were already married, ya know). Here is the FIRST and only copy of the Nauvoo press. (Very wise former mormons who wrote this).

"We are earnestly seeking to explode the vicious principles of Joseph Smith, and those who practice the same abominations and whoredoms; which we verily know are not accordant and consonant with the principles of Jesus Christ and the Apostles; and for that purpose, and with that end in view, with an eye single to the glory of God, we have dared to gird on the armor, and with god at our head, we most solemnly and sincerely declare that the sword of truth shall not depart from the thigh, nor the buckler from the arm, until we can enjoy those glorious privileges which nature's God and our country's laws have guarantied to us--freedom of speech, the liberty of the press, and the right to worship God as seemeth us good."
(quoted from here: )

Snakoil Joe got off easy......can you imagine what the husbands of Joe's polygamy harem would have done to him?

Pathetic chump, 'ol Joe.

"I will grant you, though; we are a peculiar people."

I have friends in mormonism and have read a LOT of writings of the folks that have broken-free from the mormon cult. You say "peculiar"? Only in that mormons call themselves "Christian". They are the furthest folks from "Christian" that I have ever witnessed. Why? because you believe in some other kind of Jesus besides the Jesus of the Bible. It's not your fault, entirely, it's Joe's Myth. (laughable). Mormons are not "Christian"; they are some bizarre cult, is all. Very sad.

Me, too (raised Catholic). If you were brought up/educated like me, you didn’t learn the significance of God’s Word. I learned the importance of the Bible about 14 years ago. If you believe any of the Bible, you must believe all of it. God’s word, written 2000 years ago, applies to life today just as it did when it was written (just like our Constitution which I also think was God inspired). Otherwise, how do you decide what to believe and not believe? If it’s in the Bible, believe it. Otherwise, pray that the Holy Spirit descends upon you and that your faith in our Lord Jesus Chris will grow. If you have questions, ask them—I would suggest a non-denominational Christian Church. Just remember, dogma is accepted by all Christians (Trinity, Virgin Birth, etc). Different interpretations of specific points may occur, but the basics are the same. Don’t ever let anyone tell you that Catholics are not Christians. They are Christians if they believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior. Once you accept that, seek him out and you will begin to notice a change in your spiritual life and a desire for your faith to grow. Also remember that you have direct contact with the Lord—there is no need to pray through “saints” or a priest. Email me if you have questions. If I do not know the answer, I know plenty who do and can help you. May the Lord reveal himself to you in your everyday life; may he encourage you to turn to him FOR EVERY NEED; and may he put others in your path who will help you in your walk with Him. Blessings upon you!

Jesus Christ is everything to us. He is our Savior, Redeemer, and Soon Coming King, and we love Him with all our Hearts. We thank Heavenly Father for giving His Son to save humanity from our sins. And the Holy Ghost seals this in our hearts with power and authority.

We have that in common. That, and a lot more.

I will grant you, though; we are a peculiar people.

You say peculiar, I say crazy. Its ok, America's a big place and heaven's bigger.

I believe that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, like Moses and Noah. To this very day, they make fun of, and tell lies about, Moses and Noah.

Ok, so some people tell lies about them. I don't.

I've read and studied the facts about JS, Moses, and Noah. I know based on common sense the bible, the BOM, and the POGP do not jive.

I won't sit here and disparage you because you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, but if you are ever the slight bit interested in why I came to my conclusions about the cult which is Mormonism, I'd be happy to share my thoughts and the facts with you.

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