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The Obama-Lincoln Parallel: A Closer Look (Remember this?)
CBS News ^ | Jan. 17, 2009 | Phil Hirschkorn

Posted on 12/03/2009 7:45:40 AM PST by mkboyce

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To: Vendome
You mean the 14th amendment thing which ratified some 4 years after the war?

No, that would be the 13th Amendment which was passed out of Congress with Lincoln's considerable support and which was ratified by about 20 states before Lincoln was murdered.

41 posted on 12/04/2009 11:56:51 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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caught me


42 posted on 12/04/2009 3:23:49 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Lincoln had no authority to free slaves in the CSA. The CSA had legally succeeded from the Union. That’s like saying France has mandated that all workers in Spain will now receive double their wages. They have no authority to make such a mandate over another Sovereign State. It was a trick statement...just like Lincoln’s Proclamation. I can’t take credit for finding it. I was surprised when a Black History Professor told my class, that it was what had changed his entire perspective about the Civil War.


43 posted on 12/04/2009 4:34:32 PM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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Lincoln had no authority to free slaves in the CSA.

He freed slaves in the rebellious parts of the U.S.

The CSA had legally succeeded from the Union.

No they had not. Not legally.

44 posted on 12/04/2009 4:53:47 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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Prove it. Use documents such as the Constitution c. 1860 and the Federalist papers. That way I can prove the professor wrong with facts. Could be fun.


45 posted on 12/04/2009 6:57:20 PM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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Prove it. Use documents such as the Constitution c. 1860 and the Federalist papers. That way I can prove the professor wrong with facts. Could be fun.

OK, start with the fact that none of the Federalist Papers support the idea of unilateral secession. Madison in his writings dismissed the idea of secession without the consent of the states as ridiculous. And as for the Constitution, states cannot join without the consent of the other states as expressed through a vote in Congress. Once allowed in they cannot combine with other states, split into two or more states, or change their border by a fraction of an inch without the consent of the other states as expressed through a vote in Congress. Clearly state cannot join or take any action which impacts the interests of the other states without approval from Congress. Why should leaving be any different, and by implication it is not.

Now your turn. Please quote the Federalist Paper that clearly says states may leave unilaterally. Point to the clause in the Constitution that allows a state to take any action that can negatively impact their neighboring states without first needing Congressional approval. Could be fun.

46 posted on 12/05/2009 5:41:24 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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