Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
What a though the looking glass post, Metmom.
Science has some hypotheses about how life originated but there is not enough evidence yet to firmly support any of them. It doesn’t pretend that the first cells ‘just pooped’ into existence, it openly admits that it doesn’t have the answer but it is working hard to find out.
Compare and contrast that with creationists. They are the ones who say life ‘just pooped’ into existence at the command of a supernatural entity and they are the ones who say they have all the answers; ‘God did it’.
It’s not my intention to dent your belief. Reason is a poor tool for working with faith. If you can conjur up an almighty being that created everything in the universe and who has a overbearing interest in when I have sex with my wife, what type of fabrics I wear and when I can beat my slave, then you can surely conjur up any amount of answers to any reasonable argument put to you.
If having faith works for you, then I wish you well in it.
Reasoned out of belief in God? Whose reasoning would be sufficiently authoritative and superior to an angel from heaven?
Archeology has also validated elements of Homer’s account of the siege of Troy. Are you going to use some of that REASON to assume that the Greek gods were actual divine beings?
In any case, there’s plenty of discrepencies between archeology and events from the Bible.
Apparently, you have a lot more evolving to do. We will place a pod beneath your bed tonight...
You began a thread with an inflammatory title and then went on to profess that anyone who believes in evolution is essentially an atheist. You then back away from responsibility for your statements if your generalization actually applied to anyone or group like the Catholic Church. I clearly explained how your statements were damning to the largest Christian denomination and you still deny responsibility. Seems to me like denial isn't just the river in Egypt. Maybe you should spend some time with my priest....LOL
GG: Do you think Catholics are Christians?
Of course there is zero comparison between Homer’s works and the Bible - either in length, depth, time of authorship, subject matter, or impact on the world.
Name the archaeological discoveries which have discredited the Biblical record.
Unfortunately, there are a couple of fatal errors to your post.
#1 You appropriate “Christianity” to mean your version of creationist, fundamentalist Christianity, presuming that one cannot believe in Christianity and evolution.
#2 You go into the realm of “creation science” by claiming a “full frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin” - which really is a barely veiled assault on centuries, even millenia of reason, research, and philosophy.
The hysterical attack by “creation science” folks on the theory of evolution advances neither science nor religion - it is an attack from those who presume religious purity on those whom they deem less pure than themselves.
The premise of your posted article is ignorant on grounds of faith & reason - and is the constant reminder that whether here in America, or in Afghanistan religious fundamentalism must never achieve political dominance, because it destroys both faith and reason.
” I just think it would be nice if the Evos and Atheists were respectful of Christians while on this site. “
I’m an “evo” (to use your silly term) and a Christian. Should I be conflicted?
There's an understatement if I ever heard one. Science isn't even close to having the answers yet, and hard as they work, there's never going to be any way for science to determine the answers because dealing with origins is dealing with something that cannot be observed, tested, or repeated. You cannot apply the scientific method to the topic. It is and always will be a philosophical consideration. For scientists to pretend that science is going to provide the answers to origins, be it life or the universe, demonstrates a fair degree of delusion on their part.
Compare and contrast that with creationists. They are the ones who say life ‘just pooped’[sic] into existence at the command of a supernatural entity and they are the ones who say they have all the answers; ‘God did it’.
As opposed to the current *scientific* scenario that everything kind of *‘just pooped’[sic] into existence* all by it little self, out of something called singularity, out of nothing , from nowhere, for as yet unknown and inexplicable reason?
And all by itself, set up its own laws by which to operate and then in violation of those laws, formed itself into stars, planets, globular clusters, and galaxies, and then all by itself gave rise to coded, information carrying DNA that evolved itself into sentient life?
Sure, I'll contrast that to believing that God did it and laugh at the absurdity of those who mock the idea of a creator as being unreasonable.
What science proposes now is pure speculation and hasn't passed beyond the level of science fiction.
So, remind me again that thinking that order and complexity demand an intelligent cause or creator, *Goddidit* as it were, is laughable?
What anti-Catholic bigotry?
As opposed to the anti-Protestant bigotry displayed in YOUR post? Like this....It is important to note that at the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence Catholics could not hold office, exercise the franchise, educate their children in their faith, or worship in public in the colonies by edict of the Protestant Parliament and assemblies. I get a sense that many on FR would love to return to that state.
How long a list do you want?
The dates for Exodus and the conquest of the Holy land is not consistent in the bible and not supported by archaeological evidence wither in Egypt or in the Holy land.
1) The archaeological data for conditions in Egypt do not coincide with the plagues of Egypt described in Exodus.
2) The archaeological evidence does not support Jericho being a walled city at the time of Joshua's conquest of it.
3) The archaeological evidence does not support Ai being a walled city at the time of Joshua's conquest of it.
If you want a lot more and thoroughly footnoted evidence buy the book; A New Approach to the Chronology of Biblical History from Abraham to Samuel by Dr. Aardsma. ) There are major conflicts with the chronology of Judges and 1 Samuel (which both conflict with archaeological data).
Well, that definitely seems to be the way things are going nowadays.
This is the kind of mess you get into when universal, "objective" Truth is denied.
Like they are trying to do at the University of East Anglia, climate-change division....
I do not think it possible that a computer model can reliably simulate Truth. What human being could possibly write an algorithm for that in the first place???
Thank you so much for your insights, dear metmom! Great post!
And if you can conjure up an elaborate story about the way life came about with a microscope and a few dry bones, then more power to you.
I have to tell you, though... you’ve got a lot more at stake if you’re wrong than do I.
God bless.
GG
You just proved that, while you don't have to be dumb to act dumb, it helps.
“What anti-Catholic bigotry? “
Do you deny that there is anti-Catholic bigotry on FR? Can you answer this question: Are Catholics Christian?
“Whose reasoning would be sufficiently authoritative and superior to an angel from heaven?”
Whose, indeed... I am willing to listen to arguments knowing that there is no reasonable response to the truth of God that would adequately defend their position. Seems the more the evolutionists reason, the more obvious it is the playground their minds occupy. It’s a shame they couldn’t spend all that mental anguish investigating the Word of God and comparing it to what science has truly shown. Their answers would be much different, I expect.
God bless.
GG
Are you contending that none of this is true or simply whining that sometimes the truth hurts?
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