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Driving libertarians out of the Tea Party movement
insidecatholic.com ^ | 12/29/09 | Brian Saint-Paul

Posted on 12/30/2009 4:51:48 PM PST by Publius804

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To: grumpa

The problem with that entire premise is that Libertarianism and Objectivism are two different philosophies and Rand despised Libertarians (party). It can be said there is a difference between the Libertarian party and libertarian philosophy (I call it the difference between the “Reason” libertarians and the JBS Libertarians.)


101 posted on 12/30/2009 5:59:55 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
That $20 million Dr. Paul raked in 4th Quarter of 2007 was s--ts and giggles then?

Let's give proper credit. Dr. Paul indeed had a following. Most of the Tea Partiers were not of that following though indeed many were. I was not and as you are discovering on this thread most Freepers were not.

I don't want to be insulting, but, I project that more (former) Paulite money will go to Sarah Palin in the 4th Quarter of 2011 than goes to Paul and/or the Libertarian candidate.

102 posted on 12/30/2009 6:00:36 PM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: RowdyFFC
Don’t know about you, but the first tea party event early this year in Ft. Worth had absolutely nothing to do with Ron Paul...if it had, I wouldn’t have gone.

Same here. I went to the April 15th Tea Party in my little town and there were only 4-5 Paulites out of the 200+ that showed up. That was the first Tea Party here but far from the first around the country. Ron Paul and his followers had nothing to do with the Tea Party Movement other than joining in like everybody else. No person or group led it.

103 posted on 12/30/2009 6:01:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But drugs are already being abused now, and they're illegal.

If drugs are legalized, the price will go down and abuse will go up! How can libertarians, of all people, not understand the law of supply and demand in markets?

104 posted on 12/30/2009 6:02:18 PM PST by hellbender
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To: SoCalPol
I have relatives serving overseas too, and I come from a military family as well.
Paul is wrong that he doesn't see Islam as the evil it is but he is right when he believes we don't need to stay over there for decades fighting and fighting...when we can easily seal the borders and utilize our own energy resources here.
And if they attacked us, there wouldn't be any of this nation-building or training Afghan soldiers or whatever. Paul would obliterate them and give them a hanky and tell them to wipe their chin.
That's how you fight terrorism instead of pussyfooting around
105 posted on 12/30/2009 6:04:25 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: samtheman
no names needs to be mentioned for me as for Paul, well during the campaign I heard him and though WOW this guy is off it, then he said that we did not need a CIA, FBI, NSA etc . Now that is when I said the guy is totally nuts. I then read an article on him yesterday from here and that just confirmed that I was initially right the guy is off his trolley sad part is that there is a couple of things like about him like the constitution, cutting Govt but then he opens his mouth and sounds like a left wing nut. Sorry not even the left wing DU kooks would say some of the nutty things Paul has said.
106 posted on 12/30/2009 6:04:26 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: samtheman
no names needs to be mentioned for me as for Paul, well during the campaign I heard him and though WOW this guy is off it, then he said that we did not need a CIA, FBI, NSA etc . Now that is when I said the guy is totally nuts. I then read an article on him yesterday from here and that just confirmed that I was initially right the guy is off his trolley sad part is that there is a couple of things like about him like the constitution, cutting Govt but then he opens his mouth and sounds like a left wing nut. Sorry not even the left wing DU kooks would say some of the nutty things Paul has said. If it were up to Paul and some of his supporters we would have men marrying their daughters, women marrying horses and dogs, no Govt agencies, no allies, drugs of all sorts on the street corner, sex in the street etc.
107 posted on 12/30/2009 6:05:46 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
There were Tea Parties held in 2007 during Paul's campaign.

I would love to see a source for that assertion. Rick Santelli made his rant on Feb. 19th '09 which started the Tea Party Movement. Whatever Ron Paul's supporters did had no part in it.

108 posted on 12/30/2009 6:06:04 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: jimfree
Governor Palin has spoken favorably about Paul and shares his limited gov't philosophy.
His supporters are now Palin's supporters, which makes this thread and the bickering among it so ironic
109 posted on 12/30/2009 6:07:04 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: jimfree

AMEN to everything you said.


110 posted on 12/30/2009 6:08:22 PM PST by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: hellbender
If drugs are legalized, the price will go down and abuse will go up!

How will abuse go up when employers and state governments reserve the right to prohibit their usage?

111 posted on 12/30/2009 6:09:01 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: TigersEye
I would love to see a source for that assertion. Rick Santelli made his rant on Feb. 19th '09 which started the Tea Party Movement. Whatever Ron Paul's supporters did had no part in it.

READ THE THREAD
The only thing Santelli did was give it the title. That's it. The Tea Parties were already bubbling as far back as 2007.

Paul's supporters make up the majority of Tea Parties and all you need for proof is that the Stupid Party isn't going after them for support. Either that, or they're denigrating them like the Dems.

112 posted on 12/30/2009 6:11:32 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The Tea Parties were already bubbling as far back as 2007.

Complete and utter horse puckey!

113 posted on 12/30/2009 6:13:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Paul's supporters make up the majority of Tea Parties ...

Also completely ridiculous.

114 posted on 12/30/2009 6:14:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: Publius804

News flash to Ron Paul and his followers:

It took CNBC’s Rick Santelli to call for A TEA PARTY

before anyone actually took notice.


115 posted on 12/30/2009 6:15:28 PM PST by onyx
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So then you do not in fact support legalization or decriminalization of drugs? Many libertarians do, and post that position here on FR.


116 posted on 12/30/2009 6:18:17 PM PST by hellbender
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To: OldDeckHand

Yep, you’re right, altho I remember mentioning that we should send teabags to our reps before that. Not that I think I thought of the idea first, but I think it was being bandied about amongst regular people first. Ron Paul certainly didn’t think it up. It was TRULY a grass roots movement.


117 posted on 12/30/2009 6:20:15 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Paul's supporters make up the majority of Tea Parties

Uh...what's the largest gathering ever held by the Libertarian Party or pure Ron Paul supporters before the real Tea Parties got started? Then compare that number with the hundreds of thousands of Tea Party types who descended on Washington, DC. Case closed.

118 posted on 12/30/2009 6:21:49 PM PST by hellbender
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I don't have a problem with social conservatives until they start with the holier-than-thou, nanny-statist crap! I want to focus on limiting government and reducing spending first and foremost. This is what libertarians want as well.

STOP BASHING LIBERTARIANS. WE NEED THEM TO FIGHT THE SOCIALIST, MARXIST PIGS


You totally ignored my post.

I'm not BASHINBG LIBERTARIANS.

But the LIBERTARIANS will have to agree, just like other conservative factions, to allow each faction to get what is most important to them or we all lose.

Like I said before, each group needs to grow up and not be so selfish that they think they can get everything they want at the expense of another faction.

If they don't, kiss this nation goodbye, the leftists, Marxists, and Commies have won.
119 posted on 12/30/2009 6:28:39 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SuziQ
Paying attention to the news stories, and actually getting out there and holding a sign, marching with like minded folks, are two entirely different things.

Agreed.

Liberals haven't been paying attention to anything for years and are quite good at getting out there and holding a sign, marching with like minded folks, chaining them selves to trees, getting tear gassed, thrown in jail, pepper sprayed, etc.
120 posted on 12/30/2009 6:31:15 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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