Posted on 01/06/2010 9:27:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
What’s to comment? Birthers have earned and are worthy of ridicule. It’s just dumb. Glenn Beck was right.
Why can’t he just show his OFFICIAL birth certificate and end this controversy?
It’s just dumb? Let me get this straight are you saying the “natural born citizen” clause in the US Constitution, you know...
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
So that is dumb, huh?
There is nothing “dumb” about exposing the truth of this matter as it goes to the heart of adhering to & respecting the letter of the Constitution.
I dont believe in coincidences.There is just too much crap this bho is ramming through at lightning speed that will bring this country down.I am amased at the people who just give the muzzi a pass.
I agree but if obozo was born in Kenya don’t you think somebody would spill? obozo may be the bigger hoaxer than Madoff~~~
It’s obvious no one on Beck’s staff is a freeper.
Barry Soetoro is a FRAUD from any angle you look at him. He didn’t write his own books. We don’t know what his legal name is or whether or not he is even a U.S. citizen. His entire past is either scrubbed, sealed, or made up.
C’mon Beck. Question with boldness and pull till ya hear a pop,
Why take it to that extreme, Glenn?
The dumbest thing you've ever heard?!
He doth protest too much methinks.
Obama is ineligible to serve as President because his father was a citizen of Kenya and a British subject under the British Nationality Act at the time of Obama’s birth.
Regardless of where Obama was born, he is ineligible to serve as President of the United States on that fact, alone.
Yeah, it’s pretty dumb. Seeing as he was born in Hawaii, he’s a Natural Born Citizen.
If there’s any proof otherwise... lets see it.
You got proof of that?
Oh... he’s a huge threat. Don’t get me wrong. Obama is a communist and a threat to everything we hold dear. But this nonsense about being born in Kenya just doesn’t seem to have any actual facts to back it up.
How would this end the controversy? Most of the major players who have filed eligibility lawsuits maintain it doesn't matter where he was born (though Orly Taitz has hedged her bets by submitting as evidence a pair of laughably ridiculous "Kenyan" birth certificates).
Obama could whip out a gold-plated long form Hawaiian birth certificate signed by God himself and it won't make Taitz, Berg, Kreep, Apuzzo, Donofrio and the rest of this jolly gang go away.
There has been much debate over what constitutes a natural born citizen. Much of the debate has been misinformed calling the concept of natural born an obscure technicality or an overight by the writers of the Constitution. Neither of these characterizations are true.
Many times the true meaning of consitutional wording must be determined by looking at the era and the circumstances, and, in some cases, terminology in other sections of the constitution, the inclusion or exclusion of supporting verbage, and even writings other than the Constitution.
Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution states, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible who shall not attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United Satates.”
The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the US is not enough to be natural born, otherwise the grandfather clause would not be necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the US, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that that eliminated them from being natural born and, thus, from eligibility, they included the grandfather clause which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died. So, being a native born citizen is not the same as being natural born. If it were the framers would not have included the clause.
When asked to define natural born citizen, John Bingham, the author of the 14th ammendment which extended the bill of rights to former slaves, stated, “Any human born to parents who are US citizens and are under no other jurisdiction or authority.” The Naturalization Act of 1790, also passed by this congress, declared “And the children of citizens of the US shall be considered as natural born, provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the US.” Neither of these definitions, one from US law, mentions birthplace, only the parents’ citizenship.
This concept of citizenship by blood as opposed to citizenship by geography is a concept with a long history in British common law. A law passed in 1677 says that natural born citizens are those persons born to British citizens, including those born overseas. Alexander Porter wrote an article over 100 years ago in which he declares that the framers drew upon this difference in the law of heredity and territorial allegiance to define a third class of citizen applicable only to the eligibility to hold the office of president. According to Morse, “the framers thought it wise to provide that the president should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance only to the US at the time of birth.” He goes on to say that the the eligibility of the president “was scarcely intended to bar the children of American citizens, whether born at sea or in foreign territory.”
The concept of citizenship by blood also precludes the equation of natural born with native born as the latter strictly demands geographical requirements.
Many argue that Barack Obama was eligible to be a state senator and a US senator and could not suddenly be ineligible to be president, but that is exactly the case. If this premise were true, Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, would also be eligible to be president, and it is established that he is not.
Barack Obama has proudly and publicly stated that his father was a citizen of Kenya. We know his mother was eigteen years old when he was born. These two facts make Obama ineligible to be president. No birth certificate is needed as proof, and it doesn’t matter at all where Obama was born. His father’s non-citizenship is all the law requires. He is ineligible from the beginning, meaning he is NOT the president and can be removed from office without any impeachment or trial, it requires only a ruling by the SCOTUS. HE is, in fact, a usurper, a pretender or a fake.
So why has Obama been shepharded into our highest elected office regardless of the fact that he is, according to his own statements and the law of the land, ineligible for that office? It is because those whose responsibility it is to insure the eligibility of the president, the SCOTUS, has chosen, in violation of the law, not to override the voters that voted for Obama. They are are cowards who violate their sworn oath rather than make an unpopular ruling. We are no longer a republic ruled by law, but, instead have become a democracy with rules made up as we go along, never to be written as law
And can you tell me why its nonsense?Do you have that much faith in our gubmint to have vetted this guy?Just how many politicians do you think really uphold the constitutuion?
Watch Beck’s ratings drop sharply over the next few weeks.
I’ve seen the Governor of the State of Hawaii personally certify that Obama was born there. That’s pretty good documentation, compared to what most of us have. Heck... I was born in Arizona, but I’ve never been able to get the Governor to personally endorse my vital statistics like that.
All I’ve got is a birth certificate. I don’t have a sitting Governor’s endorsement. That would be better.
According to factcheck, quote, “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.
Factcheck continues: “That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children.
Factcheck continues: “Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” End quote.
Thus, this is a direct admission that Barack Obama was a British citizen “at birth”.
Since Obama had dual citizenship “at birth,” and therefore split loyalties “at birth,” he is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America. A “natural born citizen” would not owe allegiance to any foreign sovereign “at birth” if and only if both parents were, themselves citizens of the United States of America at the time of the child’s birth!
The Framers of the Unites States Constitution carefully chose the words “natural born” and those words CANNOT BE IGNORED. Those words can not mean the same as “citizen” in the 14th Amendment.
The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, “natural born citizen”, pertains to the status of the person’s citizenship “at birth”.
Born in Hawaii? . . . DOES NOT MATTER! Because Obama was, “at birth”, a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad.
Either way, he is not eligible to be President.
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