Posted on 01/18/2010 9:49:27 AM PST by ElainaVer
Pat Robertson said the Haiti earthquake was the result of a pact with the devil
I was born and raised into a conservative family. Most of them weekly church going people. Not a one of the put much faith into what this moron says. This isn’t the first time his remarks have made him look stupid and it won’t be the last. Every now and then he just has to remind the world that he is an ignorant moron.
He does not speak for conservatives and he does not speak for the religious community.
“He does not speak for conservatives and he does not speak for the religious community.”
He does speak for ignorant morons.....
I couldn’t agree with you more he gives the rest of us conservative Christians a bad name.....
Pat Robertson does suffer from foot mouth disease from time to time, but I don’t think this was one of those. What he said was absolutely accurate. Read the article.
snip: It is a matter of historical record that Haiti’s independence from France is, in fact, rooted in a pact with the devil made on August 14, 1791 by a group of voodoo priests led by a former slave named Boukman. The pact was made at a place called Bois-Caiman, and the tree under which a black pig was sacrificed in this ceremony is still a shrine in Haiti. Annual voodoo ceremonies are conducted every August 14 on this very site, essentially renewing the covenant with darkness each summer. An iron statue of a pig stands today in Port-au-Prince to commemorate the Boukman contract with the devil.
During the ceremony in 1791, a priestess was possessed by a spirit called Ezili Dantor and it was this spirit who received the offering of the black pig.
Hundreds of slaves drank the pig’s blood and pledged to exterminate all the white Frenchmen on the island, while Boukman asked for Satan’s help in liberating Haiti from their French overlords. In exchange, the voodoo priests offered to dedicate Haiti to Satan for 200 years. The slave rebellion drove the French from Hispaniola and Haiti declared its independence on January 1, 1804.
In my opinions, Christians should focus their public speech during these moments far differently than Pat.
At the top of the Salvation Army USA web site is the following image:
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org
They get God's message far better than Pat.
With all due respect, is it your position that the earthquake in Haiti was caused by what transpired in 1791?
Are there earthquakes in heaven (heavenquakes)?
Will there be earthquakes on the new earth?
I don't think so.
Bump for later reading
Who has that position and prove where they said that.
Myself, I would not make a pact with the devil and continue to celebrate it to this day. If you believe in God, you must admit this would not make Him happy.
If you are a nonbeliever, then all this satan stuff must seem silly. (I can appreciate that as having been one most of my life).
No, it was not. It was caused, as a famous celebrity recently explained, by global warming.
Here is my response to a comment from someone named “Ed”:
Ed,
You said “I WISH I could wallow in such a deluded, irrational, childish, detached from common sense, boogie-men with super-powers worldview. I really do. I’m sure it’s quite relaxing to so easily be able to blame all the ills of the world on one lone, omnipresent, invisible, brooding, comic-book “devil!”, instead of realistically taking stock of their many obvious earthly causes and actually solving problems that affect people — especially those people who just might be different from you.”
It seems you don’t believe there is a Devil. OK, everybody is entitled to their beliefs. And you are likewise entitled to castigate and mock other people’s beliefs.
But any suggestion that Pat Robertson’s belief in a Devil is somehow unique, or far beyond the mainstream of religious thought, belies a lack of understanding of the basic tenets of the Christian faith.
Sure, there are many churches these days which downplay the concept of the Devil. But if you dismiss the devil as a fiction, you might as well also dismiss the idea of a Savior, or even the concept of a God who desires his creation to be good.
Which again, you are entitled to do, but you oppose not just Pat Robertson, but the faith held by hundreds of millions of people in this world of ours.
But, even if you simply dismiss the idea of the devil as a superstitious mythology, you haven’t really changed the argument. If people who actually BELIEVE in the supernatural are willing to make pacts with what is seen as evil in the world to acheive their ends, why is it absurd to think that such an action would be without any consequence? It seems likely that a people who believe they are cursed will act cursed.
Millions of Americans every day pray that God will watch over our country. Millions of Americans also pray that the country will not turn away from God, lest God cease to bless us with his protection.
Again, you may dismiss that as silly superstition. But those people obviously believe there is a God, and that God would bestow protection, and that God’s protection would have some relationship to how the people of a nation honor God.
And while they won’t say it, that belief must necessarily imply it’s correlary — if the people of the nation turn from God, and God lifts his hand of protection, then bad things that might otherwise NOT happen will happen.
For what point would there be to pray for God’s protection if there is no difference in outcome whether God protects us or not. And what reason would there be for asking that the nation obey and honor God, if disobedience and dismissal of God has absolutely no consequences whatsoever?
“Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep”. You might as well mock every believer for thinking that asking God to watch over them might in fact be effectual in some way. Because if it is in any way effectual, then there is a reason to believe that what a nation does in relationship to God can have consequences.
None of this is to say that I agree with Pat Robertson about the historical accuracy of the story — I have no direct knowledge of it. I am talking about the more general dismissal of the idea of God’s protection being a charade.
Genesis 19:
24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.
29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.
Well, I do believe in God. But I don’t believe he causes natural disasters to happen. I believe He is more concerned how His children behave towards one another in the face of misfortune, disasters and calamity.
Most are voodoo Catholic mix... and they can not coexist... they are voodoo worshipers.
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