Alinsky VS Paine (Intro)

Rules for Radicals | 1/25/10

[eeevil conservative]

thank you TS!

you have been added!

[Just mythoughts]

“Lest we forge at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgement to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer.”

The most in depth writing regarding who this first rebel is comes from two books of the Bible. Ezekiel 28:12-19 and Isaiah 14:12-32. Now I do realize that it will be considered politically incorrect to bring forth the Bible by some in this discussion, but without the foundation of knowing who Lucifer was at his creation and then why he rebelled, one cannot fully comprehend what Alinsky is 'preaching'.

Another book that gave to me a better comprehension about the minds of rulers after the rebellion has been successful was written by Whittaker Chambers, called Witness. Mr. Chambers sums up the world of that other way in the foreword in his book to his children. Following is a link to the foreword for those who have not read the book.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hiss/chambersletter.html

[Just mythoughts]

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hiss/chambersletter.html

[eeevil conservative]

AWESOME! Thanks for adding this!!

[daisy mae for the usa]

Thank you. Already feeling more informed.

[eeevil conservative]

GOOD to hear! and thanks...it means a lot to have feedback that folks find this work helpful.....the info added in the thread by other FREEPers is just as important as well...

I pray that God blesses this project...

[Richard Kimball]

I'm creating an off site archive that links back to the original threads. As we add threads, this will allow interested Freepers to review the previous threads without making a huge post of links that takes up several feet of space. All that's on it now is this intro, but hopefully it will grow quite a bit over the next little while:

The Alinsky vs. Paine Archive.

Also, by linking off site, if someone stumbles upon an old thread, the link will always be up to date.

[goodnesswins]

please add me to the list...thanks

[gnickgnack2]

Interesting. Thoughtful. Inciteful.
You could never qualify to teach in public schools, could you? You are far above their pay grade.

Please add me to your list so I don’t miss a lesson.
Thanks

[Richard Kimball]

That's quite a stark contrast and very well drawn. Alinsky makes an appeal to Lucifer; Paine denounces the devil.

It's also a great point that Alinsky seeks to beggar his supporters. He appealed to a generation that had never felt the true want of hunger and homelessness by convincing them that there was something disdainful about having something to eat and somewhere to sleep.

I remember an episode of MASH where Alan Alda makes the same appeal, saying the American dream was to die of a coronary at your desk while planning to stab your boss in the back. Oddly enough, I knew a girl who was adopted as an orphan out of Korea, and she dealt with great guilt that she was living such an opulent life when she spent the first part of it living in an overhang without walls and eating food cooked over an open fire.

[eeevil conservative]

WOW!!!

That is AWESOME!!

Thanks so very much!!

YOU ROCK!!

[Richard Kimball]

No problem. This is one of the most important ideological battles going on in the US.

[eeevil conservative]

LOL!!

the gals in the office at my girls’ school shake when I come in.....the teachers actually like me...they let me come in and “teach” the kids a few things to give them a break and keep the kids learning at the same time...funny— the teachers often tell me that they learn a lot from my visits as well...

I am no professor.. I just like to learn and share what I learn....I am nerd...it is fun to me...I am just a stay at home mom with a real geek syndrome...

I visit colleges too sometimes....the kids are much more fun than the college students...the college students get mad that they have been taught lies...and it usually takes about 5 minutes to get their arms uncrossed and that lemon sucking look off their faces....LOL!

[call meVeronica]

bump for later

[eeevil conservative]

again— I just cannot thank you enough— this is just AWESOME!

I am greatly humbled by you providing this....

Thanks again!

[geologist]

positive - negative
good bad
worker- parasite
producer destructor
build up - tear down

It positively eludes me how destruction of (self worth, dreams, hopes, enjoyment of family, survival of an civilized society) being committed to a worthy life ...

versus

To oppress, kill, demean, possess, control, lie, cheat, instill pain,steal, murder, dispossess, starve, ... are indeed all the work of Satan and ... how is it desirable?

It truly astounds me that this can sound and deliver anything to anyone that is worth dying to obtain.

It is ugly loathsome, a type of suicide.

[eeevil conservative]

wow-— thanks for sharing that...

really makes us think.....

[eeevil conservative]

well put!

[hondact200]

Paine desired for the redistribution of wealth. Similar to Alinsky that is why both his books Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971) are including Thomas Paine.

[eeevil conservative]

yeah— learning that....

figures....

Kerretarded offered the idea of juxting Paine and offered to do the work and writings....wondering if just Alinsky VS America wouldn’t be better, and Kerretarded could use writings of any of our founding fathers, etc as comparitive works....

Will be talking to him later— we will see what we can do to make this better...

Kerretarded is also crunched for time...so we might just have me write on Alinsky and then have him or others sumbit juxting writings to be posted on Fridays as the wrap up...

I welcome any thoughts on this...