Posted on 02/01/2010 9:26:44 PM PST by bloodmeridian
I'm with whomever wants to start up an American Conservative Catholic Church. The official Roman Catholic Church in America is (largely) revolting.
My God. I feel for you. After an incident such as this at our previous church my husband and I changed churches!!! Of course the liberalism is rampant these days in churches, but I will not let the liberal fascists take the worship of the Lord and inspiring, bibilically motivated preaching out of my life. No way!
Thanks for posting and know you have a lot of support for remaining strong in the Lord and in worshipping with no other God's before you (like these silly little liberal bomb drops in churches all across America we hear so often these days.)
Catholic teaching, no. Catholic teachers yes. The Church’s condemnation of socialism is still very much in force:
http://www.ewtn.net/library/ENCYC/L13APOST.HTM
Unfortunately, having a Church centered in Europe has meant that particular European stupidities have crept into various prelates’ thinking. Too many of them have blindly accepted the state’s role in charity.
I am well aware this kind of stuff goes on. I don’t like it. I won’t make excuses for it. But IMHO anyone whose grasp of Catholicism is so tenuous that they would abandon it over a political issue needs some serious soul searching.
Ok so great buddy. There’s a liberal weenie in your parish. Now how does that change the efficacy of the sacraments, exactly??
I left the Church years ago when they started that “Let us offer each other the sign of peace” crap. I went to church to look inward not join the community.
13 The officials (of Zoan) have become fools,
the leaders (of Memphis) are deceived;
the cornerstones of her peoples
have led (Egypt) astray.
14 The LORD has poured into them
a spirit of dizziness;
they make Egypt stagger in all that she does,
as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.
Isaiah 19:13-14
I have had several arguments with my pastor about “social justice” issues. My pastor believes that it is the job of the government to feed the poor. That without the government, the poor would not be taken care of. I said it’s the job of Christians to help those who can’t help themselves and to those that can help themselves, it the job of Christians to help them back on their feet. Church leaders fail to grasp basic concepts about what Jesus taught.
I quote this prophesy about Egypt, because I think it applies to the U.S. The officials are fools. The leaders are deceived and the cornerstones - the church leaders - have been led astray and worse they are trying to lead Christians away from what is right and just.
Thou knowest, [if you're a convert from the Episcopal Church, you say stuff like "thou knowest"] Lord, the reform thy servants need. Thou knowest that criminals and politicians (but I repeat myself) cannot give us hearts to reach out to our brethren who are in need. Thou knowest, Lord, that the Government messeth up nearly every thing to which it turneth its hand. And, Lord of Wisdom and Mercy, thou knowest that we need a Congress mindful to do Thy Will, as opposed, say, to the will of the SEIU. This is the much needed reform, Lord, and we beg you to grant it speedily.Then you can say "Lord, hear our prayer, with enthusiasm!
I believe it's called "active participation in the Mass," and it is encouraged. Heck, in some parishes it's downright necessary!
Glad I could help.
;-)
The Bishop of Bridgeport CT recently spoke firmly in favor of the much neglected concept of “subsidiarity” which is so overlooked by the average secular priest. Catholic social teaching does not only NOT require a federal program but discourages it. Which is why Catholic Social teaching is so often ignored by our lefty clergy.
Looking inward is what Luther did.
Pff-tt. Source? I know you don't have one, just pointing it out.
Evidently, though I think here it’s a case of “None so blind as they who will not see.”
Luther was a law student who became a monk after being struck down by lightning. He became an Augustinian monk, but found no peace in the regime.
Went to confession several times a day; mortification of the flesh. No dice. A brilliant scholar, one of the “stars” of the Augustinian order. No dice. He still felt bad. Then he, like many others had the time got deeply into a study of St. Paul, and became convinced that the monastic regime, and the sacramental system was all wrong and went down his own path. Interestingly, Thomas More, who was his exact contemporary, went down a similar path—did not become a religious —and came to very different conclusions about the sacramental system of the Church and, of course, the papacy.
Well, your pastor should look at how the welfare system has led to the “death” of the Church in Europe. People pay such high taxes that they feel they feel no need to give to Catholic causes. Years ago, I had a conversation with the (German) wife of a retired colonel who lived across the street from us in Katzenbach, Germany. She was astonished to learn that the churches in the USA was self-supporting and got no direct aid from the state. In Germany, there is a church tax that goes to pay for building and for clerical salaries. In the USA, because it gets so much government funding, Catholic Charities has become more or less an agent of the state, so it minimizes its religious mission. The staff at the ghq of the USSCB is, in my estimation, a virtual lobby for the Democratic Party, and if it were not for the “life” issues
would be openly so. The same is true of the staff of the archidiocese of LA, and maybe that of the archdiocese of DC. This will not do.
Doesn’t sound like he was looking inward.
Then I have not as clue about what you mean by that.
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