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1 posted on 02/14/2010 7:39:01 PM PST by syc1959
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“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


2 posted on 02/14/2010 7:48:22 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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game...set...and match.

I guess this fits as 0bambi seems to be always watching tennis while speaking....something about the hypnotic bounce and return of the ball that calms the nerves.

3 posted on 02/14/2010 7:48:45 PM PST by spokeshave (Blaming a gun for a crime is like blaming a carpenter's hammer for a shoddy construction job!")
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Pretty much in recent history and with GOP collusion, all definitions are changed to whatever best suits the Liberal agenda. Good luck with this.


4 posted on 02/14/2010 7:52:39 PM PST by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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I have been saying this for months. The birth certificate is a distraction from what is hiding in plain sight. Obama is not a natural born citizen, because he has never had a father who was an American citizen. Both parents must be citizens of the USA, at his birth, in order to meet the requirement.
5 posted on 02/14/2010 8:13:10 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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The link in the blog is dead


7 posted on 02/14/2010 8:26:28 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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Here’s a permalink to the congressional record

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llhj&fileName=033/llhj033.db&recNum=397&itemLink=D?hlaw:1:./temp/~ammem_dJlZ::%230330398&linkText=1


8 posted on 02/14/2010 8:30:43 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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And fast forward to 1952. Hope you don’t mind if I add this.

In 1952, President Truman vetoed the McCarran-Walter Act, which PASSED, despite Truman’s veto.

Here’s a copy of Truman’s commentary on the veto:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~splatsresearch/images/Truman%20Veto%201952.jpg

Under the heading “Alien Births Mentioned” Trumans says:

“Native-born American citizens who are dual nationals would be subjected to loss of citizenship on grounds not applicable to other native-born American citizens. This distinction is a slap at millions of Americans whose fathers were of alien birth.”


10 posted on 02/14/2010 8:38:15 PM PST by Velveeta
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Thank you. It's about time that Free Republic's scholars help to structure the discussion so intentionally redirected by Obama acolytes. Excellent find, and exactly to the point.

Most have already found the John Bingham statement to the joint session of congress in 1866, when Bingham was paving the path to the 14th Amendment. http://www.scribd.com/doc/20621020/John-Bingham-Quote-About-Natural-Born-Citizen-Not-About-14th-Amendment

The Constitution is meaningless if citizens don't understand what it says, or means.

This Constitutional issue grows in significance as Obama makes appointments to the supreme court. Two more are reputed to be near retirement. When Obama is held to account for his ineligibility his appointees must recuse themselves because they will lose their jobs when he does. Some might think it better to await a republican president, since Obama’s successor may not make better choices, and all his appointments will clearly be as “progressive” as can clear the senate.

I believe the scandal surrounding the cover-up of Obama’s eligibility will take down many in the legislature and even some in the judical branch and should move forward before he does more damage. I think the Democrats should wish for the same because there may still be a small majority in the senate when he is removed.

Of course there are other scenarios, such as a different father than the one he told us all about. But we must proceed based upon what Obama II told us, and what he told us makes him illegitimate. He knew it of course, but he also told us he considers the Constitution an interesting historical artifact”, which “...doesn't let me accomplish what I believe our society needs”. He apparently counted on acquiring the means to nullify the Article II requirement, certainly counting on the ignorance of citizens about history, and knowing the mainstream media and Alinsky tactics would help - “birthers” was clever and effective.

11 posted on 02/14/2010 8:49:22 PM PST by Spaulding
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Journal of the House of Representatives of the United States, Volume 33 Page 398 of 932 Monday, January 28th 1839

12 posted on 02/14/2010 8:58:24 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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I can’t follow all the twists and turns with this, but I do think something is wrong here.

My theory is the father named on the long form is not who The One claims.

Or he is listed as born white.

I also worry this may be a set up. In that everything is in order but they are saving this to discredit his detractors one day.


13 posted on 02/14/2010 8:58:44 PM PST by FL911
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Center column 5 paragraphs up:

The 14th amendment will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who
belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but
will include every other class of person.

Senitor Jacob M. Howard Congressional Globe,Senate, 39th Congress, Page 2890, 1st Session May 30th 1866

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

______________________________________________________________________________________

Center column 3rd paragraph down:

Source:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=2
>! you have to turn to page 1291 !>

Bingham states: I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill],
which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the
jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language
of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . –
John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866”

15 posted on 02/14/2010 9:06:51 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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Barry is not a NBC. Daddy was a British subject. Because he was the frontrunner of the MSM, they overlooked that requirement.


20 posted on 02/14/2010 9:26:45 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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So... you are saying that only clones can be natural born citizens?

Because based on your weirdly edited extract, Congress is looking there at excluding the rights of natural born citizens from anybody who has parents.

lol
31 posted on 02/15/2010 10:34:43 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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This is all moot unless you have a workable plan to remove the SOB from office.
49 posted on 02/15/2010 12:05:53 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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A lot of pols and Judges are about to be declared guilty of treason.


50 posted on 02/15/2010 12:10:15 PM PST by Waco (Wanna buy an FBI file,,,See Hillary, she's got 900 of them.)
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And did any legislation result from the Judiciary Committee’s looking into the matter?


51 posted on 02/15/2010 12:12:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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In plain simple english ‘natural-born citizens who are or shall be born of parents‘ from the United States.

That's is what this has always been about. Are you listening Bill O'Reilly? It's not about the "phoney certification of live birth" that you claim to have seen. It's about being born to two American-born citizens.

52 posted on 02/15/2010 12:16:34 PM PST by jersey117
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Two questions:

1. Did this resolution ever become an actual law? The article doesn't bother to tell us. I suspect that it did not, because "laid over" means Floor action on an amended bill is postponed for one legislative day. Note that "the rule" under which it was laid over is not defined.

There is no indication that anything ever came of the resolution beyond its being laid over. Unless the author can produce the actual, signed bill that contains this definition, we have to assume that this statement, no matter how suggestive, does not have the force of law.

2. The full text certainly does not support the breathless "game, set, match" nature of the replies. The part you so conveniently left off is that Mr. Allen stated that both parents must have moved away from the US and declared allegiance to another government. Certainly Stanley Ann Dunham does not satisfy that standard -- she was American, and lived in the US.

Conclusion: the author is grasping at straws again.

53 posted on 02/15/2010 12:38:45 PM PST by r9etb
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bump


62 posted on 02/15/2010 2:14:18 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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Did this “bombshell” ever become law? Also, if the definition of Natural Born Citizen were so clear, why would they need to propose something like this?


63 posted on 02/15/2010 2:21:10 PM PST by Kleon
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