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To: EnderWiggins
Regarding the rest of your rambling post:

Your facetious claim, “First, it is false that Obama’s birthplace is unknown. It is known based on exactly as much documentation as exists for all but at most 8 of the other President on that list.”, is just plain silly.

“Of 43 men who have served as president, only Zachary Taylor and Andrew Jackson, both born on the frontier, have disputed birth sites. All others have some commemoration for their place of birth — except Obama.” from:

http://www.newsmax.com/Ruddy/Obama-birth-certificate/2009/12/12/id/341849

There are other ways of verifying where a person was born other than providing their long form birth certificate. Unfortunately, unlike the other presidents Obama has been unwilling or unable to provide verifiable information about his birth or even the location of his birth. No, Obama’s COLB does not provide verifiable information. If you think it does, please explain.

If you know where Obama was born, why don't you tell the rest of us? If you can't tell us the hospital or address where he was born then you don't know. Two different hospitals have been claimed by Obama or his representatives or family members. First it was claimed that Obama was born at The Queen's Medical Center. Then for six months Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children claimed that he was born there. then they mysteriously dropped the claim

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=103633

http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

Then you go onto claim that persons who believe Obama should provide the documentation of his life are a “fringe group of conspiracy theorists who would never vote for him anyway.”

I guess that you haven't looked over too many of the polls on this. From Polls this summer, “Tom Jensen of Public Policy Polling just reported on Twitter that a new poll his firm conducted finds that only 32% of Virginia Republicans think Obama was born in the US, while 41% think he was not and 27% are not sure. These numbers are even worse than the national results from the Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll released on Friday, which found that 28% of Republicans think Obama is not a citizen and 30% are not sure.”

http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2009/08/va-poll-backs-kos-result-on-obama-birth.html

That doesn't sound like a fringe group to me. The numbers have only gotten worse since that time; I just do not have time to list all of the links.

51 posted on 02/22/2010 9:20:17 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15
“Of 43 men who have served as president, only Zachary Taylor and Andrew Jackson, both born on the frontier, have disputed birth sites. All others have some commemoration for their place of birth — except Obama.”

Actually, we know this is not true, as Chester Arthur's birthplace was disputed while he was still alive and is still disputed today. But that is neither here nor there.

How many of them possess documentation of that birth comparable to Obama's COLB? How many of their birth certificates have you seen? Long form or otherwise?

"Unfortunately, unlike the other presidents Obama has been unwilling or unable to provide verifiable information about his birth or even the location of his birth. No, Obama’s COLB does not provide verifiable information. If you think it does, please explain."

You are being simply disingenuous when you assert that any of these previous president "provided" anything regarding their birthplaces. Most of these "commemorations" were not even established until after they were dead.

As to the COLB, under the Federal Rules of Evidence and the "full faith and credit" clause of the US Constitution a document that requires no "extrinsic validation" whatsoever... as long as it meets the State Department regulations for proof of citizenship at birth. And it meets that standard perfectly.

"If you know where Obama was born, why don't you tell the rest of us? If you can't tell us the hospital or address where he was born then you don't know. Two different hospitals have been claimed by Obama or his representatives or family members. First it was claimed that Obama was born at The Queen's Medical Center. Then for six months Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children claimed that he was born there. then they mysteriously dropped the claim"

No one in an actual position to know has ever declared that Obama was born anyplace other than Kapiolani Medical Center. No Obama family member has ever declared Queens as his place of birth, and neither has Queens hospital itself. And while Kapiolani did consider dropping the claim (used on their website and in fund raising fliers) when Birthers accused them of violating HIPAA, they later came back and reasserted its authenticity, as covered by WND.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104146

There is no mystery here. He was born at Kapiolani. The hospital has said so, he has said so, and his sister has said so. Nobody in a position to contradict them has ever done so.


53 posted on 02/23/2010 8:18:33 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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