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To: Las Vegas Ron
In your opinion, is this not getting anywhere because of the political aspects of this or the merits of the case?

For separation of powers reasons, courts are not going to get involved in a challenge to the qualifications of a sitting President. Congress can impeach him, but the courts will stay out of it.

What do attorney's need to do to get this heard and how should they go about it?

Every state has procedures on the books for challenging a candidate's right to be on the ballot. Those challenges have to be brought before the election and, in most states, can only be brought by an opposing candidate (not just any member of the public). If Obama runs for re-election in 2012, another candidate on the ballot can bring a challenge to Obama's candidacy. (I don't think they will prevail, but the case will be heard on the merits.)

33 posted on 02/19/2010 4:34:33 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Then why is there a provision for Quo Warranto?


36 posted on 02/19/2010 4:39:58 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
For separation of powers reasons, courts are not going to get involved in a challenge to the qualifications of a sitting President. Congress can impeach him, but the courts will stay out of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That assumes a crime of criminal fraud has not been committed.Interesting assumption. We have probable cause to believe otherwise.Simply free the long form.What is there to hide? A crime?

37 posted on 02/19/2010 4:42:05 PM PST by Candor7 (((The effective weapons against Oba- Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA)))
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To: Lurking Libertarian
For separation of powers reasons, courts are not going to get involved in a challenge to the qualifications of a sitting President.

I can see where that could cause huge problems, is this why courts have been refusing to here cases based on standing, is that their way to wiggle out of it?

Every state has procedures on the books for challenging a candidate's right to be on the ballot. Those challenges have to be brought before the election and, in most states, can only be brought by an opposing candidate

I can definitely see that becoming an issue if nobamma decides to seek re election, I'm surely losing hope that this will be resolved in the courts.

But if it turns out that Obama was indeed a fraudulent POTUS, wouldn't that nullify every law he signed while in office?

Seems to me that would cause more of a crisis then just booting his butt out now.

41 posted on 02/19/2010 4:46:22 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
You are an attorney. I am not, so I have a question.

Aren't there criminal aspects regarding this?

The COLB posted was clearly a forgery and any rational person would recognize this.

If Obama has presented himself as being eligible, and is not, hasn't he defrauded millions of trusting Americans out of millions of campaign donations? He may have spent those dollars on a fraudulent campaign. Isn't that criminal fraud?

Why can't an Attorney General of some state investigate this? When does a president become immune from prosecution of a crime?

Finally ( the following has nothing to do with the legality of Obama’s eligibility, it is merely an observation):

The U.S. Olympic committee **knows** with absolute certainty more about the citizenship ( and indirectly, the natural born status) of our American Olympians than we do about Obama.

Think about this. The members of the U.S. Olympic committee absolutely **KNOW** more about the citizenship of two ice dancers in makeup and fanciful costumes than we **know** about the man who commands the most powerful army in the world and has complete access to the most destructive nuclear arsenal since the dawn of humankind!

Scary! Isn't it?

83 posted on 02/19/2010 6:22:01 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Las Vegas Ron; rxsid
Every state has procedures on the books for challenging a candidate's right to be on the ballot. Those challenges have to be brought before the election and, in most states, can only be brought by an opposing candidate (not just any member of the public). If Obama runs for re-election in 2012, another candidate on the ballot can bring a challenge to Obama's candidacy. (I don't think they will prevail, but the case will be heard on the merits.)

That's exactly what I suggested a couple of months ago. We should run a naturalized American citizen, preferably with a pronounced foreign accent, for POTUS in the '12!!

If he's challenged or thrown out, as he should, the challenger should demand all other candidates proof of their NBC status or are thrown out also!

I believe that 0kaka will not run for reelection just because of the scrutiny he'll face.

108 posted on 02/19/2010 8:56:54 PM PST by melancholy (Stop USA change, destroy the 0b0z0ne layer!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Las Vegas Ron
Every state has procedures on the books for challenging a candidate's right to be on the ballot. Those challenges have to be brought before the election and, in most states, can only be brought by an opposing candidate (not just any member of the public). If Obama runs for re-election in 2012, another candidate on the ballot can bring a challenge to Obama's candidacy. (I don't think they will prevail, but the case will be heard on the merits.)

If the State is NOT aware of of the candidate's right to be on the ballot, because the head of the party has provided notarized certificate that MAY show they were false, is that NOT a crime???

115 posted on 02/19/2010 11:04:01 PM PST by danamco
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