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To: flowerplough

I have no problem with the “warts and all” type of history.

I object to the “warts only” version of American history.

It’s the balance that is missing. The evils and misdeeds of American history are, with rare exceptions, similar to those perpetrated by all other societies. A great many of the good things about Western Civ and America are, by contrast, completely unique. Notably the very idea of human rights and equality. NO other society has even conceived of this notion, which we take so for granted.

Surely these facts should be part of what is taught.


5 posted on 02/24/2010 6:57:53 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: Sherman Logan

What is overlooked is how much an anomaly America became among nations in history . Put ethnically diverse peoples in land with vast natural resources, and a minimum of government, and it can easily degenerate into anarchy or a into slave state. While there were degree of this, something worked to bring souls to be sufficiently controlled from within so that they did not need much to be controlled from without, from its founders to its farmers, while educating them in values and judgment that enabled them to be entrusted with a republican from of government. Above all other factors, i submit that, directly and indirectly, it was the effectual preaching of the evangelical gospel.

Alexis de Tocqueville commented,

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live.

in a pamphlet for Europeans titled Information to Those Who Would Remove to America (1754), Benjamin Franklin wrote, in part:
“ ...serious religion, under its various denominations, is not only tolerated, but respected and practiced. Atheism is unknown there; Infidelity rare and secret; so that persons may live to a great age in that country without having their piety shocked by meeting with either an Atheist or an Infidel. And the Divine Being seems to have manifested His approbation of the mutual forbearance and kindness by which the different sects treat each other, and by the remarkable prosperity with which He has been please to favor the whole country.[38]

Os Guinness comments that,

while America has never officially been a “Christian Republic,” for much of its history the Christian faith has been a leading contribution to its unofficial civil religion.

In elementary schooling in early America, the overtly Christian New England Primer was used in New England, which is estimated to have sold upwards to 3,000,000 copies from 1700 to 1850. In addition, approximately half of all American children learned from the McGuffey Reader, a series of textbooks of which 122 million copies were published (during a time when the population was much less than today, and books were passed on more)....

This resulted in the Readers becoming a unifying force in American culture, giving America a common value-laden body of literary reference and allusion,[33] and “a sense of common experience and of common possession”.[34] http://conservapedia.com/Moral_degeneration


6 posted on 02/24/2010 7:17:34 AM PST by daniel1212 ("Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved")
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To: Sherman Logan
I object to the “warts only” version of American history.

Socialist lies by omission are lies as well.

The Reds know this.

It took Pete Seeger 40 years to admit that Joseph Stalin had done some horrible things.

These creeps urge throwing aside the ONE nation that has stood above all others as the tide of creeping socialism and fascism sought to control Europe in the 20th Century.

Fascism wasn't just Nazism. It was in Italy and Spain too.

Both belong on the scrapheap of bad political ideas (along with Islamic theocracy).

But no, it is our Constitutional form of a Democratic-Republic and the land itself that is seen by the far Left as the source of all evil in the world (and it has been this way since 1492 apparently).

10 posted on 02/24/2010 7:59:28 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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