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To: spinestein

With less than 60 votes, if my understanding is correct, then they will never get to vote on the bill because they will not have the votes for “cloture” or to end the debate on the floor.


7 posted on 03/03/2010 4:09:14 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CIDKauf
"With less than 60 votes, if my understanding is correct, then they will never get to vote on the bill because they will not have the votes for “cloture” or to end the debate on the floor."

Under the Budget Reconciliation process, there is no cloture vote. There is 20 hours of debate, that's it. Theoretically, after 20 hours of debate, the GOP could then offer an "unlimited" number of amendments. Biden, as the President of the Senate, could rule everyone of those amendments as dilatory. What happens next is anyone's guess, because the President of the Senate has never inserted himself into the Reconciliation Process, since its inception in 1974.

There hasn't been a VP overrule the Senate parliamentarian for any matter since Humphry did back in the 60's.

9 posted on 03/03/2010 4:13:04 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: CIDKauf

[With less than 60 votes, if my understanding is correct, then they will never get to vote on the bill because they will not have the votes for “cloture” or to end the debate on the floor.]

According to the rules, correct.

But it seems the Democrats are planning to break the Senate rules. Since they know they can’t get the Senate bill passed in The House, as is, they are going to use the budget reconciliation process to pass a different House bill and then modify the Senate bill to merge the two together. According to the rules, they would then need to pass the new bill again in the Senate with 60 votes, but since budget bills only need 51 votes they plan to pass it as if it were a budget bill. ILLEGAL - but this is their plan.


24 posted on 03/04/2010 8:16:36 AM PST by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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