Posted on 03/05/2010 4:25:45 AM PST by Spaulding
Then I suggest that you post to someone who is interested in discussing the matter with you.
More speculative scenario for those with their heads in the sand???
http://www.usofearth.com/2011-obamas-coup-fails.php
He is a late comer paid plant here!!!
Just of curiosity: What does "any of us WHAT to peer" means. Is it doughnut time for you ???
I'll certainly agree with that, as well as the monetary waste on trying to get a copy of O-bo's birth certificate.
The fact is, there is no need for a birth certificate. By his own admission, our presidential pretender was born with dual citizenship, which automatically excludes him from being a natural-born citizen no matter which continent he was born on.
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If these facts can be discovered by a crew of everyday Americans with keyboards, the question becomes WHY is the entire federal government ignoring the issue?
It's nice to see some FReepers have honest nicknames, I guess. :-)
Frankly I don’t care if it involves Cheney. I couldn’t explain his failure in this other than to think he’s been in Washington for too many decades. If he needs to face legal consequences, then so be it.
I trust no man above conservative principle.
Fascinating.
But they don’t have nearly enough confidence to make a declarative statement about it.
None of them do, now or ever. Whether they work independently or in consultation. Not the trolls, not those occupying the many degrees of separation between the mindless trolls and the Obama administration.
Their weak ideology, which they themselves don’t begin to understand, defeats any desire they might have to announce their plans openly. This goes for Piven, Soros, Obama, Ayers, and the rest of them.
Their motivation and agenda is crystal clear.
Disrupt, mine for information, muddy the waters, aggravate, take peoples’ attention away from the topic and onto them, obfuscate, and get their jollies doing it.
If they were sincere, they’d leave these threads alone and strive against 0bama’s destruction in other ways, like the real conservative freepers.
But no. They’re just stinkbombs.
Exactly. They can’t openly declare themselves, but it’s clear what they are.
They also reveal themselves this way:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2463717/posts?page=307#307
To: MrRobertPlant2009
Your problem is that you spout leftist crap, it’s that simple. You support 0bama and do it in a manner that is typically leftist.
I know, I was raised in an ultra leftist family. Some of the standard leftist qualities:
1. Tremendous arrogance
2. Snarkiness
3. Faux “cool” and an “I’m above it all” attitude
4. Scorn for sincerity
5. Scorn for those who believe in God
6. A strong “I’m in with the in-crowd” mentality
7. A strong faith in their own natural superiority
8. Undercurrent of jocularity where none is warranted; the scornful laugh, the joke that the “fools” don’t get
Disrupt, mine for information, muddy the waters, aggravate, take peoples’ attention away from the topic and onto them, obfuscate, and get their jollies doing it.
If they were sincere, they’d leave these threads alone and strive against 0bama’s destruction in other ways,....
You're absolutely correct. The After-Birthers always advise FReepers to stay away from this debate and channel their energy to stop 0b0z0's agenda.
I add my voice to yours and ask them, why don't you practice what you preach?
0kaka won't dare run in '12 as long as this debate is going on, especially if an accented, naturalized American decides to run against him! OOPS, but..but.. SoSs won't allow such a candidate to be put on the ballot because of the none-NBC status! LOL
Watch it 0kaka! You can’t have it both ways; such a candidate will have STANDING to force your hand.
Is it possible to be both citizen and sovereign?
Seems to me that the only way that works out is anarchy.
Yep. Read the pre-amble to the Constitution.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
It was not established by some King, "holy" man/men, or some small elite group (as the Magna Carta was.
Seems to me that the only way that works out is anarchy.
No, the way it works out is freedom. Freedom under the rule of law, but a law established by those it applies to, not some bunch of "lawgivers".
But why I am not surprised you'd see it that way.
Definitions are generally fairly compact things. A few sentences at most. Show us where Wong defines "Natural Born Citizen", not "Natural Born Subject", as anything other than "child of citizens born in the country", as it does in the citiation/quote from Minor v. Happersett
"all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens"
That in turn very closely mirrors the definition in "Law of Nations". Very closely indeed.
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
Doesn't that make the law sovereign?
Yes. The Wong court did analyze the “laws of nations” to some degree. And the result of their analysis was that reliance on the NBC language—both as stated under prior English holdings, and thence Wongs, did not offend the laws of the “laws of nations” —
I can find you the exact language.
parsy who will be back with it.
Sure, and they *usually* are. But every case has a slightly different set of circumstances, and the later Supreme Court may decide that their earlier decision does not apply to the circumstances of the new case.
However, the Supreme Court has never decided a case based on the definition of Natural Born Citizen. It's been mentioned in dicta, but no case has turned on the meaning of the term. This is not suprising, since the only place it is in the Constitution is in the clause which provides the requirements for someone to be eligible to the office of President. No where in the statute law is one required to be a Natural Born Citizen to be eligible for something or to have some privilege or immunity. No law explicitly makes one a Natural Born Citizen, and the statute laws which make people born outside the country citizens at birth (subject various criteria), are enacted under the power to define rules of Naturalization. The courts have ruled that, for Constitutional purposes, those citizens are naturalized.
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