President Obama's birth doctor, James Ang'awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s

allafrica.com and Mary Ang'awa (Dr. James Ang'awa's daughther) ^ | 03.05.2010 | InspectorSmith

[InspectorSmith]

Kim aka Mik,

Are you serious???????????????? Now you claim that Dr Helton Maganga might not have been aware of the details in on the document???

Jerome Corsi and WND have claimed to have contacted doctor Helton Maganga back in August 2009 and asked him about the document. Others have contacted CPGH as well. Other people in Kenya have commented on the CPGH document as well. Even a close friend of Obama Senior in Kenya has examined the document.

Kim, do really expect anyone to believe that in October of 2009 Dr Helton Maganga didn't know the details of the document? ESPECIALLY THE STAMP WHICH IS THAT PART WITH HIS NAME AND THE DATE??????? Are you just that nuts or what?

As I said before, you never had any conversations Dr Helton Maganga on the telephone. Thank you for playing along though Kim.

Lastly, whatever happened to Dr Helton Maganga coming out and helping you expose the document as a fraud??? Whatever happened to your other promises of providing spectacular evidence which you were hoarding and that you said you would release unless I (Lucas) confessed???

Do I need to post another screenshot of your past comments?

For the record:

1. The doctor's name is Helton.

2. Helton was Chief Admin on February 19, 2009.

[etraveler13]

Here is where Ruth is stated as committing Suicide
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_two.htm

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From wikipedia:
Dunham was born in Wichita, Kansas, the second child of Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, Sr. and Ruth Lucille Armour. His father’s ancestors settled in Kempton, Indiana in the 1840s, before relocating to Kansas.[4] His parents were married in Wichita at a home on S. Saint Francis St. and opened The Travelers’ Cafe on William Street, sandwiched between the old firehouse and the old Wichita City Hall.[5][6]

In 1926, at age 8, Stanley discovered his mother’s body after she had committed suicide at the age of 26. Following his mother’s suicide, his father abandoned the family and Stanley and his older brother, Ralph Emerson Dunham, were sent to live with their maternal grandparents in El Dorado, Kansas.[7] A rebellious teenager, he allegedly punched his high school principal and spent some time drifting, hopping rail cars to Chicago, then California, then back again.[8] Stanley married Madelyn Payne on May 5, 1940, which was the night of Madelyn’s senior prom.[9]

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[etraveler13]

So the answer that Smith asked you, is YES, you did speak to Maganga, and never thought to ask him if he was CA on Feb 19,2009. You seem to have trouble simply answering YES or No.
You also agree that Heltan Maganga WAS CA in June 2009, evidenced by my provided link above but repeated here:

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In this article dated June 18,2009 it states:
Coast Provincial General Hospital chief administrator, Dr Heltan Maganga, said the first patient was diagnosed on June 1 and died the following day. “Since then, we can confirm 21 cases, out of which nine are undergoing treatment,” he said.
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/612678/-/ukb32e/-/index.html

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So Mik Taerg, what say you? The spelling agrees with your spelling, but Smith already covered that Periodicals and newspapers spell it both ways, but it also definately says he was the Chief Administrator on that date.

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As an aside, I have found 3 separate people in the hospital using the chief admin@cpgh.co.ke address for correspondence on my search for this information. So perhaps multiple departments use this as a central e-mail dump.

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I added this question, as I have the links to 3 separate people using this e-mail address that were not CA of the hospital.
Have you found a signature by Heltan/Helton Magange that is different from the one on the BC?

[editor-surveyor]

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Ungawa!
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[editor-surveyor]

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“It really is quite simple” said wolfie’s mom, pointing to his concave left temple...
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[woofie]

Was that what passes for wit in your world?

[editor-surveyor]

The same question works both ways.

[editor-surveyor]

Bump!

[Chief Engineer]

Wikipedia isn’t exactly the most reliable source of material and they more than likely went by information from Jr’s fairy tale because further research pointed out that Ruth died of food poisoning the day after Thanksgiving and classmates of Stanley Armour all confirmed he did NOT have enough credits to graduate so had to return the following year to obtain the necessary credits to graduate. It comes down to trying to decide what is fact and what is fiction and when you have a group of classmates all agreeing Stanley Armour didn’t have enough credits to graduate I would tend to agree with them rather than Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone with that privilege. The same goes for the supposed suicide of Ruth Armour Dunham, when her obituary gave cause of death as food poisoning NOT suicide in a time when newspapers did not hesitate to inform the public if the deceased had committed suicide as per the article I posted upthread. People believed what Obama had been told by his grandfather, and that was clearly false, even the genealogists didn’t dig further or they would have discovered the difference!

[Brytani]

I know i’m posting to this well after the fact (catching up on FR reading after a hellacious week). I read the Canada Press story of the journalist who said he/she had been threatened and I do believe they mentioned others in the field.

In their original report they said the identity of the person would be revealed once that person gave them permission to do so. That has been, what, six months ago? The story seems to have died out.

Any ideas if they do plan on following up on such an explosive report? The best way to stop anyone from blackmailing you is to shine light on the subject. I’d hoped by now, with all the attention the eligibility issue has received they would have at least updated the report if not given the promised information.

[Brytani]

A belated thank you for the link. Catching up on my FR reading after a simply put horrible week.

[Brytani]

I didn’t mean to saw I thought it was planted - maybe I mistyped or was not clear enough. My point was that an argument I’ve heard on FR and other places from those trying to discredit the announcement is that it was planted by O’s handlers. I do not personally believe that as I indicated on the post.

I don’t questions its existence; I do question the address since I’ve never been shown any evidence that Obama or Dunham lived at the address aside from speculation of a possible rental of a backyard bungalow.

If you or anyone else has evidence of the address on the announcement and a real connection to Dunham/Obama, I’d love to see it.

[Brytani]

Obama went to Kenya in 2007.

Well that just solves the entire question!!! He went to Kenya in 2007. How profound. Anything else to add to your brilliant skills in investigation that has solved the entire eligibility issue? Wow, he went to Kenya in 2007.....your bridge could use a new paint job.

[Brytani]

I’m trying to figure out if you believe I think the announcement was planted (reread my post if so, as I’m clear in saying I do not believe that) or if your making a general comment to those who have attempted to claim the announcement was planted.

[Brytani]

Lucas,

Thanks for responding. There have been so many birth certificates passed around I wanted to be sure which one was yours. I had a pretty good idea (footprint is how I remember it) but wanted confirmation.

Thanks again...

[Mik Taerg]

“You also agree that Heltan Maganga WAS CA in June 2009, evidenced by my provided link above but repeated here:
In this article dated June 18,2009 it states:
Coast Provincial General Hospital chief administrator, Dr Heltan Maganga, said the first patient was diagnosed on June 1 and died the following day. “Since then, we can confirm 21 cases, out of which nine are undergoing treatment,” he said.”

Heltan Maganga (I see you name him Heltan) was CA certainly on June 17th. I HAVE ALLWAYS SAID SO.

“As an aside, I have found 3 separate people in the hospital using the chief admin@cpgh.co.ke address for correspondence on my search for this information. So perhaps multiple departments use this as a central e-mail dump”

The 3 different persons are form differnt times. We’ve been through this. If you look back you will find the Tender Document from CPGH, read it. It means only one CA.

“Following this, and not having found any reference to Maganga CA before Feb 19th 2009, Lucas came up with a new theory: both Othigo and Maganga were CA’s on Feb 19th 2009.
Recently however I have found a document, a tender action from CPGH, which CLEARLY implies the CA of that public hospital can only be one. Here is the source, and I suggest you read it.

http://www.ictvillage.com/_Adm.BDetails2.asp?Linkid=1&Infoid=4001&Page=0";

I am very glad you are beginning to take me seriously. Just begin reading my links, OK ? Not my words, the links.

[Brytani]

Did you guy know Michael Moore is a birther? Seriously - check out the post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2470292/posts?page=24

[Mik Taerg]

YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T CARE ABOUT READING MY EVIDENCE.

Here is Jennifer Othigo CA on April 13th 2009:
http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/452898/560148/-/tqw6oqz/-/index.html

NOW HERE IS A RESUME OF MY FINDINGS. READ THE LINKS

On Feb 19th 2009 the CA was Jennifer OThigo. There is documented proof she was in the position at least until April 13th 2009.
The first documented reference to Maganga as CA is from June 2009.

I repeat again, again, again, again: EVIDENCE

here are the references to Jennifer Othigo as CA of CPGH before Feb 19th 2009, the date stamped above Maganga’s signature obove Lucas’ document. This search was done to confirm that naming Othigo was not just an occasional mistake by some journalist.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/499590/-/tm7r8p/-/index.html
http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=227214&page=3
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/36898.html
http://www.eastandard.net/news/InsidePage.php?id=1144003096&cid=159&;;;;;;;

here are the references that Othigo was still CA until April 13th 2009. This is important due to the date stamped on the certificate. Again not just one article

Feb 24th http://www.vvog.be/docs/2009/02/24094002.doc
Mar 26th http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144009846&cid=159&;;;;;;;
Feb 27th http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=247437&p=Nyeri+Town&page=2
Apr 13th http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/452898/560148/-/tqw6oqz/-/index.html

Lucas has then searched for some source mentioning maganga as CA of CPGH BEFORE FEB 2oth 2009. He was able to find none. In fact, as he well knows the first references to Maganga as CA of CPGH are form June 2009:

Jun 17th http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=58041
Jun 2009 (Kenya TV video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vL2ErPz7Qk

Following this, and not having found any reference to Maganga CA before Feb 19th 2009, Lucas came up with a new theory: both Othigo and Maganga were CA’s on Feb 19th 2009.
Recently however I have found a document, a tender action from CPGH, which CLEARLY implies the CA of that public hospital can only be one. Here is the source, and I suggest you read it.

http://www.ictvillage.com/_Adm.BDetails2.asp?Linkid=1&Infoid=4001&Page=0

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now listen. Read it, think it over, digest it, and then come over again if you have some plausible argument to dismiss my findings.

[Mik Taerg]

Anything else to add to your brilliant skills in investigation that has solved the entire eligibility issue?

Yes.

In fact there is no eligibility issue.

[Brytani]

Daylight’s waning, better get busy painting that bridge, it is looking a tad shabby.