A High-Mobility 72 Hour Kit

03/24/2010 | noumenon

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[JDoutrider]

You up by the ahem... “falling Kettle”?

[Doomonyou]

Thanks for the G.O.O.D. Post!

[Noumenon]

Um - not sure what you’re referring to. Kettle Falls is a ways away, though. We’re up near Lake Pend Oreille in northern Idaho. From where we are, you can go north and east and get into some pretty rugged country up in the Yaak River valley.

Thing to remember is - if they want to mess with you, they will. Just like they did with Randy Weaver and his family, not too far from where we are. Pick the hill you’re willing to die on. Then make them pay.

[Noumenon]

Good list. Sounds like you’ve got it covered. My small backpack also has a couple of heavy contractor’s bags. Trash bags on steriods. Two of ‘em and some para cord can make a hasty and serviceable shelter.

[JDoutrider]

Understood... From what you were describing I thought Kettle Falls was your Galt's Gulch destination. I have a few friends up in those hills, good friends! Good area to wait out the storm as well.

I left Wa. State exactly one year ago, to the day. Making my stand in the deep North Woodlands and have been setting up a totally self sustainable redoubt.

[familyop]

"Combat Uniform...PASGT helmet...Binoculars...Rifle / pistol mag(s)...Rifle ammo on strippers...Rifle mag pouch...Weapons...Rifle. CAR15 or equivalent....Pistol...Tomahawk...Fighting knife...Miscellaneous small knives. Everywhere...Shovel...Pickaxe...Axe...17 pound tamper bar...24” bolt cutters..."

LOL! Heed the warning in oldenuff2no's comment #17. He knows what he's talking about.

Don't try to cross any property line toward any pretty, little, grandma-house-lookin' place in the country after a terrible disaster in your city. That would most likely be a fatal move.

Your own home can be secured as well. The ways to build security and self-sufficiency are virtually infinite. Think, study, design and build. If you're in an apartment and getting tired of big city noise, consider looking for a cheap lot away from the cities. With enough study and work, you could build a self-sufficient, peaceful home on that. Just make sure that you can drill a water well on it first.

familyop, combat engineer (combat type), National Guard, 7 years

[familyop]

"How did it work out for the well-prepared country folks in the Ukraine in the 1930s?"

"It might devolve to anarchy, but it also might lead to martial law. Then, the govt. will lead military units out to the countryside to TAKE your food by force."

"Think you can resist a company of soldiers sent to remove your “illegal hoard” of food?"

"Ask the Ukrainians how it worked out when the city folks were hungry and the govt decided to take the food from the farmers."

You're being a bad sailor, Travis. You know better than that. ;-) LOL!

Tell you what. I'll go one better. When you hear bagpipes,...







...run for your lives, folks! Game over! There's no way out! We're all going to die!

[This comment was for the sole purpose of sick humor. It does not reflect my perception of any current political situation.]

[dcwusmc]

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[Sir_Ed]

I used to live near the base of the long bridge at Pend Oreille, across the highway from Mirror Lake state park, up a ways from Cocolalla.

I worked at Ski Schweitzer in the winter and did construction in the summers.

Man, I loved North Idaho!

Ed

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[DuncanWaring]

My understanding of the situation was that the Ukrainians weren’t particularly well-armed, either.

[djf]

Right off the bat, for 90% of the population, it’s kind of a waste of time.

Compass?
Who the heck in suburban Denver or whatever needs a compass?

Most of the population won’t benefit from these items, because what they need is stockpiles of food, fuel, and medical supplies.

I guess what I’m saying is this is sort of a Rambo type of solution. And the folks in the cities are at the most peril. The folks in the country will hunker down and shoot anything that moves.

But thanks for reminding me.
I need to get a compass!

;-)

[Abundy]

What these guys don't tell you is that you folks in the cities are between a rock and a hard spot. When it hits the fan you will not have water out of your tap, your toilet won't flush, your refrigerator will quit working, and there will be a 48 hour supply of food in the stores. That is the rock. The hard place is that you have no place to go. When you leave the cities you will not be wanted. Most of the land will be private and guarded by the armed inhabitants. They have their own food, water, big dogs, established fields of fire, known neighbors, and will not be sharing. They will be dug in and have a lot more ammo on hand than you can carry. Those who try and force their way in will be breaking the law and will quickly find out what all those backhoes are really for. If you live in the cities you need to make your stash and stay home. You really have no place to go that won't shoot back or shoot first if necessary. I realize that the city folks are in a bad spot but it is a spot they chose. Country folks have made the choice to live remotely with well stocked pantries, a private water source, large ammo stashes and have the attitude that we will take care of our own. I always know when someone is headed to my house from listening to my dogs. I am always armed and completely accept that I am responsible for the security of my family. If there is a threat to my family it will be neutralized instantly. Don't BS yourself into thinking you are big and bad. My teenage son can hit a deer or pig at 300 yards and he still isn't as good as his mother, sister or me. So before you start listening to these guys who think they know it all you better stop and figure out just what you are getting yourself into. Retired AB Ranger.

Now this is worth a BTTT.

I kept trying to explain that to my circle of friends before I left on this contract. They don't have to worry about home-grown problems...when you live 2 hrs from DC and Pittsburgh you are going to have to worry about what is vomiting forth from these cities...

[familyop]

To be fair, buddy (sincerely), I'll answer the following more seriously but without compromising anything.

"How did it work out for the well-prepared country folks in the Ukraine in the 1930s?"

It was horrible. They didn't know what to do and were bereft of technological experiences to motivate them during the early 1930s. They were defenseless.

"It might devolve to anarchy, but it also might lead to martial law. Then, the govt. will lead military units out to the countryside to TAKE your food by force."

"Think you can resist a company of soldiers sent to remove your 'illegal hoard' of food?"

I doubt that we'll see a Stalin-esque scenario any time in the near future, but here goes. Yes. Many residents here and there around the country could do that and more. Thanks to our Bush presidents for that. And a whole company for taking a little garden and one or two head of livestock would be quite an expense. If things were that much out of hand nationwide, by that time, there wouldn't be much air support for such missions, not to mention morale and strength problems for assault elements.

And most rural residences aren't farms. During poor times, many of them would maintain small subsistence gardens. ...not worth so much expense. They could take big corporate-government feedlots and large fields, though. Ask us if we'd care much about that.

"Ask the Ukrainians how it worked out when the city folks were hungry and the govt decided to take the food from the farmers."

How would it work out for such assault groups to try to choose between extremely rough terrain and...extremely rough terrain as one of many kinds of obstacle during road trips for hundreds of miles? ...without air support? ...or negative air support? Our more combat-oriented Air Force folks are rather loyal to Americans and traditional these days, as are others who secure their stuff.

IMO, a Stalin-esque takeover wouldn't have a chance without taking the path of incrementalism for several decades. Even then, it could be bled dry and cut up from the inside as in the past.

We're Americans. Most of us are pretty spoiled, but with the economic likelihoods in front of us, we can learn morality and ingenuity again.

[djf]

The word I hear is that UNLESS you are more than an average cars one-tank-of-gas distance away from major cities, you are basically toast.

Personally, I think that the roads leaving the cities would be a total cluster-f for like 15 miles leading out of the cities, after that, the roads would be open but nothing would be moving.

But think about it. How much of America is more than one tank of gas from a major city?

Not very much at all! All of Alaska, but not much more.

[Future Snake Eater]

I also know that very few active duty personnel will actually pull a trigger on their own people.

That's true, but now they don't have to. We have so much non-lethal stuff at our disposal now (built up and tested all throughout Iraq and Afghanistan), that they'll be able to immobilize you and take what they like while detaining you. They get your stuff, they get the (mostly) clear conscience, and you get the work camp.

Plus, you should be nicer to Travis McGee. He's definitely one of the good guys.

[Abundy]

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[djf]

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nuthin yet...

[Abundy]

er...I think you and Travis share the same background.

His post was more likely a shot of reality to the discussion...

He’s the last person I expect to be taking the wrong “side”