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A High-Mobility 72 Hour Kit
03/24/2010 | noumenon

Posted on 03/24/2010 4:12:18 PM PDT by Noumenon

Most of this gear is off-the-shelf and relatively cheap. Check out Cabela’s, CheaperThanDirt.com or SportsMansGuide.com for the best deals.

Assumptions:

1. Civil unrest ensues.

2. Communications go down.

3. You may have to fight your way out of wherever you are. or on the way to your destination.

4 You may have to abandon your vehicle

5. You may have to walk to a prearranged safe place or rendezvous/rally point.

6. You will move quickly and not ‘camp out’. Rest, yes. Camp, no.

7. The weather may suck - majorly. Hot, cold, wet, snowy.

Strategy assumes that you may lose your backpack and/or your sling bag. Or that you may not have time to suit up, and that you can only grab your sling bag/backpack and weapons. Try to wear a pair of decent hiking shoes or durable shoes in case you can’t put your boots on in time.

First layer – Combat Uniform

I prefer the old 80’s era Swiss Alpenflage. Cheap and readily available (or used to be), works great for the inland Pacific NW environment. Rig for your area and circumstances.Strongly recommend good boots and a PASGT helmet with appropriate cover. Plenty of PASGT gear on eBay if you don’t have any. This is what works for my area. Think it through and pack what will work for your circumstances. The important thing is to have comfortable, durable clothing that you can wear for days.

Your pockets/belt will hold the following essential items:

1. Strike-anywhere matches in a waterproof case.

2. BlastMatch with tinder of some sort.

3. Maps or even Jeppesen charts are very useful. You should also do a custom Google map of your E&E routes. You DO have more than one route, eh?

4. Compass In a worst case scenario, you may not be able to rely upon a GPS device. Learn how to follow a compass bearing. You can guide yourself through thickly forested areas, featureless winter landscapes, foggy sagebrush areas, etc.

5. LED Flashlight and extra batteries. Use what works best for you. Carry at least two.

6. Energy bar(s). Something’s better than nothing.

7. Extra Clothing Layer. Poncho and/or parka. This could also be a mylar emergency blanket. Area / climate / season specific. A poncho will fold up into one of your pockets.

8. Sunglasses.

9. First Aid Kit. Carry basic first aid supplies such as sterile gauze and pads, Band-Aids, moleskin, etc

10. Knife / multi-tool Preferably one of each. An extra knife on a lanyard around your neck is good insurance.

11. Water and the means to carry it. Adopt/adapt for your circumstances.

12. Water purification tablets don’t take much room, either.
13. Wire saw. Notch a stick at each and lodge the saw's end rings in the notches and you've got a serviceable bow saw.

Extras if you’ve got the pockets or the inclination:

1. Small radio w/extra batteries. 22+ mile range/NOAA combo preferable. If you’ve made arrangements with others to meet up, that type of radio can be invaluable. But be secure about using one, though. Keep your plans confined within a small trusted circle.

2. 25-50 ft of parachute cord. Whatever fits. Very useful.

I’ve left off fishing kit and items like that because you’re probably not going to have the time for fishing and in any case, you have room for that sort of thing in either your sling bag or your small backpack. I’ve also not included magazines and ammo, because you’re probably going to be carrying that elsewhere.

Practice and test. Finally, when you’ve got that all together, field test it. See how fast you can get it all on, boots and helmet included. Do it again and again. Then do it at least once a week. Try walk, trot, run and see what rattles. Quiet the rattles. Then roll down an embankment, throw yourself down flat, crawl through brush, tumble if you’re capable and see what you’ve got left. Walk, trot, run. Still quiet? Good.

Second layer – Sling Bag

The sling bags offered by places like Cheaper Than Dirt and Sportsmans Guide are great. They’re easily snatched up and the contents will afford you an extra day or two of operations in the field. Plenty of webbing attachments for your customization pleasure. The premise is that even if you don’t have time to suit up, you can still grab your rifle and the sling bag and make a decent go of it. I wear mine on the left, since I’m a right-hander. The one I use also has a waist strap to keep it from flapping in the breeze. To a certain extent, I replicate the essentials listed above in the bag and the list below reflects that. But it differs in some details and sports a few additions. Ammo, for instance. I hang a 3 magpouch on it for my AR carbine, and there’s more ammo and an extra rifle/pistol in the bag. There’s an extra 15 round 10mm mag in there as well. Again, you’re not looking to camp out – you want to keep moving towards your destination. Rest, but don’t set up housekeeping.

1. Strike-anywhere matches in a waterproof case
2.Fire Starter. BlastMatch with tinder of some sort.
3.Maps. >Same as above.
4. Compass. Yep, another one.
5.LED Flashlight and extra batteries. If you’re smart, your radio, flashlight and any other device you might carry will all use the same batteries. Preferably AA.
6. MRE of your choice. A good meal (although some may dispute even the possibility) can make a big difference to your outlook. Even the (ugh) omelet ones.
7.Energy bar(s). Better to have 'em and not need 'em>
8.Extra Clothing Layer. Same as above.
9. Sunglasses AND regular glasses. For those of us who need glasses, the investment in an extra pair could be a life-saver. The sling bag described here accommodates glasses in hard cases nicely.
10.Binoculars. Compact, decent quality and keep them easy to get to.
11. First Aid Kit. Carry additional first aid as mentioned above.
12. Knife / multi-tool. /b> Preferably one of each. Again.
13.Empty Water container. You can fill it later. It’ll add to the one on your backpack.
14. Water purification tablets.
15.Rifle / pistol mag(s). Full, and one of each. They’ll be inside the pack along with as much extra ammo on strippers as you deem fit. Don’t overload it though.

16.Rifle ammo on strippers. 5.56 mm doesn’t take up that much room and you can probably carry an extra 2 or 3 magazines worth. Remember to include a couple of extra stripper guides. Wear one around your neck; keep the other in a zipper compartment in the bag.
17.Rifle mag pouch. Hang this in an easy-to-get-to place on the outside of the sling bag. Most will hold three AR-style mags.

Again, practice and test. Still have everything? Good.

Third layer– Small Backpack

Cheaper Than Dirt and Sportsmans Guide offer some nice compact backpacks. I like the Level III ‘assault’ pack. It’s big enough to hold more of what you need for an extra two or three days in the field, expands your available food and ammo stocks, provides for a change of socks, underwear and t-shirt, insect repellent, a small folding shovel and a hydration pack. Depending upon what you feel like stuffing in there, you can add a small waterproof bag with a towel and some baby wipes

Again, practice and test. Same as above. Still have everything? Excellent.

Weapons

When things get dicey, don’t assume that you’re going to just drive or stroll home. Rifle, pistol and a good fighting knife (that is, a knife that you actually know how to fight with) are essentials. The last thing you want to do is to get into a firefight. But you do want to have a chance to prevail if it drops in the pot. Again, carry what you know how to use. This will be no time for on-the-job training. If you don’t have the skills, take a martial arts class of some sort (NOT tai chi or freakin' yoga) and get thee to an Appleseed event to learn how to shoot like a rifleman. www.appleseedinfo.org.

Everyone’s got an opinion – so I’ll just tell you what I picked and why.

1.Rifle. CAR15 or equivalent. Light, accurate within reason and you can carry lots of ammo. I carry 7 loaded mags – one in the rifle, three in a quick-access pouch on the sling bag and two more in the backpack.
2.Pistol. Glock mod 20 with 1 mag in the pistol, two in the carry rig, one in the sling bag and two more in the backpack. This is a hard-hitting pistol, a real fight-stopper. No aspersions on .45s - I just like having 15+1 rounds of near-41 magnum persuasion on tap. Besides, if you’re down to your pistol, then you’ve got other things to worry about besides calibers.
3. Tomahawk. One MOLLE’d to my backpack. I like tomahawks.

4. Fighting knife. One MOLLE’d to my sling bag.

5. Miscellaneous small knives. Everywhere.

Car Kit

I carry pioneer tool items that could prove useful in some circumstances. This is in addition to the usual road kit with flares, gloves, rope, a regular tool kit, etc. Let your experience and imagination be your guide here.

1. Shovel.

2.Pickaxe

3.Axe.

4.17 pound tamper bar. With a tamper on one end and a wedge on the other.
5. 24” bolt cutters.
6.Extra food and water.
7. Sleeping bag.

Again, your circumstances and training will produce endless variations of this list.


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Soneone asked me about this earlier today. This is what works for me. EVERYONE's mileage may vary. The emphasis is on speed and the ability to fight if necessary. Comments, suggestions and raspberries welcome. Fire away.
1 posted on 03/24/2010 4:12:19 PM PDT by Noumenon
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To: Noumenon

Mmmmmm....raspberries. May have to settle for blackberries, though.


2 posted on 03/24/2010 4:17:54 PM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: Noumenon

Food, Guns and Ammo! And Now!

http://www.green-trust.org/freebooks/Preparedness.pdf

http://nationalexpositor.com/News/2133.html


3 posted on 03/24/2010 4:20:37 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Yep - LDS in particular have a strong sense of being prepared. But you ccan’t carry yourbasement on your back, much less fight with it.

What I’ve offered here is a basic, on your feet, get out of Dodge kit that works pretty well for me. Total weight is right around 45 pounds. Any reasonably fit backpacker can haul that. I’m not fit enough to carry the 80 to 120 pound rucks that some of our troops do. But for 3-5 days, this will do.


4 posted on 03/24/2010 4:27:44 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon

Nice post. 10mm isn’t my cup of tea, but I’m a .38 Super fan so I don’t have room to talk. Realistically, I’d probably take a Smith 27 (.357 and .38 capability).

Thanks for the info.


5 posted on 03/24/2010 4:28:55 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

PS: Although I’ve got the AR route covered, my standard truck gun is a Winchester 94 in .30-30.


6 posted on 03/24/2010 4:31:06 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Noumenon

I don’t understand where all this mobility is taking you in the SHTF scenario. Off into the woods, then what?


7 posted on 03/24/2010 4:32:07 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Tijeras_Slim

God, I love those old S&W N-frame revolvers. Had a 6” 27 for a long time. Lost it in a burglary 25 years ago.


8 posted on 03/24/2010 4:32:35 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon

BOOKbump


9 posted on 03/24/2010 4:33:12 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: Noumenon
Great thumbnail of the necessities. I think the missus and I could cover 80-85% of it with about a 20 minute warning. I really gotta focus on putting together a 'bug out bag', though.


10 posted on 03/24/2010 4:33:29 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Old fishermen never die. They just smell that way.)
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To: Noumenon
Oh, and this thread just earned a bookmark. I'm pretty selective about that, even here.


11 posted on 03/24/2010 4:34:35 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Old fishermen never die. They just smell that way.)
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To: Plutarch

I work in Spokane - 48 miles from our place. We’re located in a relatively out-of-the-way area. So are our other rally points. No one can really say how things are going to play out, but I sure wouldn’t want to stick around an urban area to see what happens.


12 posted on 03/24/2010 4:34:47 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon

The N frames are some beautiful guns. My current favorite is a pre-27 in 3.5” with coke bottle grips. The trigger is like squeezing warm butter.


13 posted on 03/24/2010 4:35:16 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Viking2002

Forgot to mention the gas mask.


14 posted on 03/24/2010 4:36:39 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon

Fortunately, I live in a rural neighborhood. Getting out of Albuquerque might be a problem if things go south really fast, but I doubt that would happen. Plus, with my ID I could make most of that trip on the Airbase.

The neighbors are all good folks, we take care of each other in times of bad weather, etc... We could organize a unwelcoming committee for any visitors pretty quick.


15 posted on 03/24/2010 4:38:24 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Plutarch

I should also mention that I can get to semi-rural areas within a few miles, rural not too long after that. I’ve got routes through industrial areas that offer good concealment. More than that, I won’t say.


16 posted on 03/24/2010 4:39:15 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon
What these guys don't tell you is that you folks in the cities are between a rock and a hard spot.
When it hits the fan you will not have water out of your tap, your toilet won't flush, your refrigerator will quit working, and there will be a 48 hour supply of food in the stores. That is the rock.
The hard place is that you have no place to go. When you leave the cities you will not be wanted. Most of the land will be private and guarded by the armed inhabitants. They have their own food, water, big dogs, established fields of fire, known neighbors, and will not be sharing. They will be dug in and have a lot more ammo on hand than you can carry. Those who try and force their way in will be breaking the law and will quickly find out what all those backhoes are really for. If you live in the cities you need to make your stash and stay home. You really have no place to go that won't shoot back or shoot first if necessary. I realize that the city folks are in a bad spot but it is a spot they chose. Country folks have made the choice to live remotely with well stocked pantries, a private water source, large ammo stashes and have the attitude that we will take care of our own. I always know when someone is headed to my house from listening to my dogs. I am always armed and completely accept that I am responsible for the security of my family. If there is a threat to my family it will be neutralized instantly. Don't BS yourself into thinking you are big and bad. My teenage son can hit a deer or pig at 300 yards and he still isn't as good as his mother, sister or me. So before you start listening to these guys who think they know it all you better stop and figure out just what you are getting yourself into. Retired AB Ranger.
17 posted on 03/24/2010 4:40:00 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: Noumenon

Around here you MUST have three gallons of water per day per person or risk severe dehydration.


18 posted on 03/24/2010 4:40:46 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Yes, we also have a special neighborhood welcome on tap for impolite guests. It’s nice to live in a Class III state.


19 posted on 03/24/2010 4:40:51 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Plutarch

That is another whole thread.


20 posted on 03/24/2010 4:41:53 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Noumenon

http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/

http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=151

There’s gobs of others, but these two are my favorites.


21 posted on 03/24/2010 4:43:09 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Noumenon

Don’t take martial arts.

I’ve been in the martial arts for over twenty years and can tell you, take a self defense course. There is a huge difference.
I ran my own school for 12 years. A quality self defence class is faster and more of what you are looking for.

After the course...practice


22 posted on 03/24/2010 4:43:19 PM PDT by devistate one four (If you can't feed it, don't breed it! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: oldenuff2no

Agreed. This system is designed to get me out of this urban area back to our neck of the woods - just as you’ve described. And my E&E routes are planned accordingly. It won’t go well for those who suddenly wake up to a very harsh reality.


23 posted on 03/24/2010 4:43:54 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon

No class III, but living in the mountains there’s only one road from town up to us. That could easily be blocked... heck the highway department did it once miscalculating the amount of explosives needed to modify a rockface at one curve.


24 posted on 03/24/2010 4:45:22 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Noumenon

Add a Poncho and extra socks.

Also, what do you intend to barter with when you get to day 7?


25 posted on 03/24/2010 4:45:41 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Plutarch

“I don’t understand where all this mobility is taking you in the SHTF scenario. Off into the woods, then what?”

Scattered throughout the description of the physical contents is the other 99% of his survival PLAN. Routes. Communications. Destination. Friends.

All are important and need to be PLANNED in advance of any one of several events where they would be needed such as unrest, earthquakes, massive fires, hurricanes, etc.


26 posted on 03/24/2010 4:46:10 PM PDT by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: devistate one four

The guy who taught us for 5 years + is ex-SOG. Very nasty, fight-to-win kind of guy.


27 posted on 03/24/2010 4:46:10 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon
Gas ma - SHIT!!!!!!! Where was that other bookmark I had?!?!? *CLICK* Nope. *CLICK* Nope. *CLICK* Aaaahhhhhh........They want HOW MUCH????? Fuggetaboutit. I live 40 minutes from Fort Benning. I got more square footage of surplus stores to dig through than Henry Waxman has nasal passages to pick.


28 posted on 03/24/2010 4:46:14 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Old fishermen never die. They just smell that way.)
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To: Noumenon
Don't forget your P-38!


29 posted on 03/24/2010 4:46:50 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Blueflag

It’ll only take me 3 to 5 days to get home. There are folks along the way who won’t find me unwelcome.


30 posted on 03/24/2010 4:47:58 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon
Nicely done. I'll toss the basic contents of our OSWHTW kit that are in our cars and the old ALICE packs we keep as BugOut kits in the house.

Here in the midwest we've made some different choices but that's to be expected. The gear however doesn't really differ all that much.

L

31 posted on 03/24/2010 4:48:48 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Noumenon

A friend of mine (suburbs of Atlanta) had kinda decided to drill a water well to aid in his family’s survival when TSHTF.

I asked him “how will you draw water when the electricity goes out?

How will you get fuel for your generator?

How will you defend your home and your generator and your fuel supply from the marauders and barbarians that are 72 - 120 hours away?”

He clearly had not thought out the reality of the dark future.


32 posted on 03/24/2010 4:49:03 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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33 posted on 03/24/2010 4:49:03 PM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: Noumenon

Sounds great!


34 posted on 03/24/2010 4:49:29 PM PDT by devistate one four (If you can't feed it, don't breed it! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: 21twelve

Correct. I won’t presume to lay out a plan for anyone, and I won’t discuss mine in detail. That’s an individual decision in any case. And no two will be alike.


35 posted on 03/24/2010 4:50:15 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: oldenuff2no

Good points sir!

Also worth a look on urban issues:
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/


36 posted on 03/24/2010 4:50:47 PM PDT by elpinta (DC, TSA: things that make me puke.)
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To: Lurker

Yep. There are some basic principles here. You know how that tune goes.

Most folks won’t test their stuff. Or their plans.

Bad planning, that.


37 posted on 03/24/2010 4:52:35 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Yo-Yo

I need one of those!


38 posted on 03/24/2010 4:54:08 PM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: Noumenon

Survival ping.


39 posted on 03/24/2010 4:57:08 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Viking2002

Got my Combloc surplus gasmasks for 2 for $15.00. they’re actually pretty darned good. Tested them, too. One thing’s for sure, you won’t be doing quarter mile sprints in ‘em.


40 posted on 03/24/2010 4:57:44 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Noumenon
A few suggestions if I may:

Quart sized zip lock storage bags.
"Snack" sized zip lock storage bags.
Cotton balls in one of those snack sized bags. They make great 'tinder' for that blast match. They've got other uses as well.
Suture kit. I got mine from Amazon.com for about $20.

Quik-Clot treated bandages. Once again they're about $20 at Amazon.com.

Safety glasses as well as sun glasses. If you're walking through the woods at dusk or in the dark they come in REALLY handy.

Toss a bag of beef jerky and a couple of those 'trail mix' thingies from 7-11 in there. Mine have sat in my vehicle for over a year with no ill effects.

The jerky weighs nothing and packs a powerful protein punch. The trail mix has raisins and chocolate in it. That's a real morale booster when you're cold, wet, or just generally scared and miserable.

If you can swing it financially a small night vision monocular is absolutely invaluable.

L

41 posted on 03/24/2010 5:04:07 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Noumenon

yeah but think about “get out of Dodge kit”?

WHERE YA GONNA’ GO? :)


42 posted on 03/24/2010 5:04:36 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Free Nobel Peace Prize with oil change =^..^=)
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To: Noumenon
Got my Combloc surplus gasmasks for 2 for $15.00.

I've had the Israeli ones in the Lurker Inventory for years. Got 'em back when they were less than a ten spot a piece. I don't think they're available for any price now.

Nice touch on the PASGT gear. Forgot all about that I did. Thanks.

L

43 posted on 03/24/2010 5:06:21 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Noumenon; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ArmedSkeptic; ...
Stuff you may want around in the event of unpleasantness breaking out.

CW2 Ping


44 posted on 03/24/2010 5:08:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Noumenon

Oh and you might want to toss in one of those Nam era machetes in there somewhere. Just a thought.


45 posted on 03/24/2010 5:08:22 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Travis McGee

You are on a roll tonight!
thanks


46 posted on 03/24/2010 5:14:30 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Greetings, and how are you today, comrade?)
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To: Noumenon

BFFR


47 posted on 03/24/2010 5:17:42 PM PDT by a_screen_name
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To: Noumenon

Add a thick, glass mag lense, about 3” - works as “glasses,” and will greatly diminish need for matches.

Dip your strike anywhere matches in candlewax... dip a whole box of them and stick them together in groups of 10/12 while the wax is hot (dip just the strike tip and a 1/4th inch of the wood. Wrap the bundles each in wax paper, sealed with wax. Distribute to belt/ packs/ truck, accordingly.

Heh. Got all the way to the bottom before I found a bowie and a tommy... Don’t forget them...

On the tommy: I prefer a customized pole axe to a “weaponized” short-handled tommy - an Iroquois blade with a real hammer on the reverse side, custom made to fit a Vaughn hickory framing hammer handle.

Because of the blade shape of an Iroquois, the lower point of the blade can be used as a climbing aid (ice or trees) - needs a boss under the hammer head to attach a temp lanyard for that purpose. It can also be used for leverage rolling logs and etc.

On the lower edge of the blade, a sharpened “vee” will be handier than you can imagine.

That tommy is more important than any other thing.


48 posted on 03/24/2010 5:19:55 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Travis McGee

It is going to take a dedicated 3/4 Ton truck to haul all that stuff.....unless you have a farm like me, and then, its right here anyway, cause we are not going out on the road for any cause.

I have been thinking of preparing a small parcel for the right family with the right money so when the stuff does hit the fan, that they do have a place to go to, with food, water, and protection. It will be very expensive, but, then what cost insurance to know that 2 years from now, that you still have all your kids and all your stuff? It will make New York prices pale by comparison, but, then, again, what is your safety worth?


49 posted on 03/24/2010 5:20:20 PM PDT by Concho
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To: Noumenon
Forget the wire saw. The only thing you can use it for is maybe a snare. Go with the pocket chainsaw instead. Also add a couple of 4"X1"dia. pvc tubes as handles.
50 posted on 03/24/2010 5:20:33 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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