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What these guys don't tell you is that you folks in the cities are between a rock and a hard spot.
When it hits the fan you will not have water out of your tap, your toilet won't flush, your refrigerator will quit working, and there will be a 48 hour supply of food in the stores. That is the rock.
The hard place is that you have no place to go. When you leave the cities you will not be wanted. Most of the land will be private and guarded by the armed inhabitants. They have their own food, water, big dogs, established fields of fire, known neighbors, and will not be sharing. They will be dug in and have a lot more ammo on hand than you can carry. Those who try and force their way in will be breaking the law and will quickly find out what all those backhoes are really for. If you live in the cities you need to make your stash and stay home. You really have no place to go that won't shoot back or shoot first if necessary. I realize that the city folks are in a bad spot but it is a spot they chose. Country folks have made the choice to live remotely with well stocked pantries, a private water source, large ammo stashes and have the attitude that we will take care of our own. I always know when someone is headed to my house from listening to my dogs. I am always armed and completely accept that I am responsible for the security of my family. If there is a threat to my family it will be neutralized instantly. Don't BS yourself into thinking you are big and bad. My teenage son can hit a deer or pig at 300 yards and he still isn't as good as his mother, sister or me. So before you start listening to these guys who think they know it all you better stop and figure out just what you are getting yourself into. Retired AB Ranger.

How did it work out for the well-prepared country folks in the Ukraine in the 1930s?

It might devolve to anarchy, but it also might lead to martial law. Then, the govt. will lead military units out to the countryside to TAKE your food by force.

Think you can resist a company of soldiers sent to remove your “illegal hoard” of food?

Ask the Ukrainians how it worked out when the city folks were hungry and the govt decided to take the food from the farmers.

What these guys don't tell you is that you folks in the cities are between a rock and a hard spot. When it hits the fan you will not have water out of your tap, your toilet won't flush, your refrigerator will quit working, and there will be a 48 hour supply of food in the stores. That is the rock. The hard place is that you have no place to go. When you leave the cities you will not be wanted. Most of the land will be private and guarded by the armed inhabitants. They have their own food, water, big dogs, established fields of fire, known neighbors, and will not be sharing. They will be dug in and have a lot more ammo on hand than you can carry. Those who try and force their way in will be breaking the law and will quickly find out what all those backhoes are really for. If you live in the cities you need to make your stash and stay home. You really have no place to go that won't shoot back or shoot first if necessary. I realize that the city folks are in a bad spot but it is a spot they chose. Country folks have made the choice to live remotely with well stocked pantries, a private water source, large ammo stashes and have the attitude that we will take care of our own. I always know when someone is headed to my house from listening to my dogs. I am always armed and completely accept that I am responsible for the security of my family. If there is a threat to my family it will be neutralized instantly. Don't BS yourself into thinking you are big and bad. My teenage son can hit a deer or pig at 300 yards and he still isn't as good as his mother, sister or me. So before you start listening to these guys who think they know it all you better stop and figure out just what you are getting yourself into. Retired AB Ranger.

Now this is worth a BTTT.

I kept trying to explain that to my circle of friends before I left on this contract. They don't have to worry about home-grown problems...when you live 2 hrs from DC and Pittsburgh you are going to have to worry about what is vomiting forth from these cities...

Bump that.
The whole “it’s SHTF/TEOTWAWKI, flee to the countryside” notion is rank ignorance.

1. There’s a whole lotta people doing the same thing.
You won’t be the only one thinking “get outta Dodge”.
You won’t be the only one on the gridlocked roads.
You won’t be the only one finding the hard way that walking all day out of the city only gets you to a different part of the city (a 15 minute drive is an all-day walk).
And by the end of the day you won’t be anywhere that isn’t already overpopulated by like-minded but under-equipped refugees.

2. When you finally get to the rural areas you had in mind, and have somehow out-run & out-traveled most of the refugees and zombies, you’ll find that it’s still more densely populated than you expect, and the residents dug in, prepared, informed, and fiercely territorial. All that land belongs to _somebody_ - even if “owned” via “possession is 9/10ths of the law”. For context, consider: people who move into a rural area discover that it can take _ten_years_ to achieve acceptance by the locals; random strangers setting up camp without permission should not expect friendly accommodation.

3. Even if you can get to your chosen target location, and don’t have a problem with the locals in doing so ... now what? Short of having your own well-maintained well-stocked cabin, you’ve only got what you brought with you - and you just used up 2/3rds of it getting there. Great, now you’ve “made it” with 1 MRE left and a tarp for shelter. You have no refrigeration (short of northern winters), which wouldn’t do much good if you had it ‘cuz the big game population just went to 0 in 2 days flat thanks to everyone else doing the same as you. Yes maybe you’ll survive. Go watch every episode of _Survivorman_ and learn the core lesson: yeah you’ll get by for a week, but you won’t _eat_.

There is only one place for you to go: home. The “high-mobility 72 hour kit”, aka “Bug-Out-Bag” (BoB), is for you to get there. It better be ready for off-the-grid operation.