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Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in 1789
puzo1.blogspot.com ^ | 4/2/2010 | Mario Apuzzo, Esq

Posted on 04/02/2010 2:13:33 PM PDT by rxsid

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To: Drew68

Interesting. Agnew was born on Nov. 9, 1918 (two days before the armistice) so he should be on the 1920 and 1930 censuses, both of which are now available to the public. Which one did you consult?


161 posted on 04/03/2010 3:29:59 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: justiceseeker93; All
> In ALL of the federal government, the NBC requirement
applies to only ONE person: the President.

>> Not quite. The NBC requirement also applies
>> to the Vice President

True. And that's a scary thought as well,
but I'd take stupid over EVIL.

With the exception of perhaps the SECDEF,
there's a little bit of BOTH on this list after Obama:

US Presidential line of succession after Obama

# Office Current Officer
1 Vice President and President of the Senate Joe Biden
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Robert Byrd
4 Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
5 Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner
6 Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
7 Attorney General Eric Holder
8 Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar
9 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
10 Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke
11 Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis
12 Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius
13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan
14 Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood
15 Secretary of Energy Steven Chu
16 Secretary of Education Arne Duncan
17 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki
18 Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano

162 posted on 04/03/2010 3:32:00 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Damn, I almost thought the wiggster had returned, whew!


Naah heehee...I like to post to the zots sometimes. I know they lurk out there. ;-) Besides, he is on my ping list I keep on my forum page. *Snicker*

163 posted on 04/03/2010 3:57:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Verginius Rufus
Which one did you consult?

Found this on the net.

1920, line 72

164 posted on 04/03/2010 5:12:47 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Thanks. I'm too cheap to subscribe to Ancestry.com and didn't want to take the time to go to the public library to use their version of it. It looks like Agnew's mother is also marked as an Al(ien) even though she was born in Virginia--did she take her husband's citizenship by marrying a foreigner?

The problem with insisting now on the original rule that both parents must be citizens at the person's birth is that there have been exceptions which passed unchallenged at the time (Chester Arthur for VP and for President, Agnew for VP). The public seems to think that anyone born in the US is a "natural born citizen" so it's going to be hard for a few constitutional experts to set them straight.

166 posted on 04/03/2010 9:53:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus; Drew68
"I don’t know. Agnew’s father was an immigrant, but I don’t know when (or if) he became a naturalized citizen. Was his mother also an immigrant?

According to a poster, MGB, here: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2010/02/22/eligibility-hi-petition-launched-in-spite-of-introduced-bills/ they state that the 1910 and 1930 Census, as well as Agnew's father's WWI registration card state the he was a Naturalized citizen. His WWI reg card is dated Sept. 12, 1918 and Agnew was born Nov. 9, 1918. Coupled with a 1910 census listing that status, it appears that his father was Naturalized prior to the birth of Agnew. Therefore, Agnew would be NBC.

Of note, apparently the 1920 census lists his father's status as alien. However, that same census also lists the wrong year of his immigration.

167 posted on 04/05/2010 10:31:24 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

BTTT & bookmark


168 posted on 04/05/2010 10:38:54 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: rxsid

That about ends the speculation of Spiro Agnew’s NBC status. I would think that all the presidents and all the VPs have been sifted through and scrutinized about their origins by both the right and the left since the Obama.


169 posted on 04/05/2010 11:46:47 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Las Vegas Ron

He’s been an Obongo loving troll forever.


170 posted on 04/05/2010 1:51:45 PM PDT by mojitojoe (I don't care what you passed. you are irrelevant. I'll NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: ilfautbien3

correction... a day and a half


172 posted on 04/05/2010 1:57:56 PM PDT by mojitojoe (I don't care what you passed. you are irrelevant. I'll NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: LucyT; rodguy911; Las Vegas Ron; BP2; MHGinTN; pissant; Gemsbok; little jeremiah; Fred Nerks; ...

New troll alert


173 posted on 04/05/2010 2:02:53 PM PDT by mojitojoe (I don't care what you passed. you are irrelevant. I'll NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: mojitojoe

Dang - missed it.


174 posted on 04/05/2010 2:43:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: BP2
US Presidential line of succession after Obama

Remember, that list only applies when all above a particular postition are "wiped out" at the same time. If the President goes, then the VP becomes President AND picks a new VP, with the advice and consent of the Senate. If both Pres and VP go at the same time, then Speakers becomes President and picks a new VP. and similarly down the list. Of course if anyone on the list is not eligible, then they do not become President if they otherwise would have.

Bottom line, barring a nuke attack on DC, I don't think we need worry about President Stretch or President Sheets, and cetainly not President Hildebeast.

175 posted on 04/05/2010 2:52:01 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: mojitojoe

Damn, I missed it, who was it?

What was the post?


176 posted on 04/05/2010 3:03:08 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Verginius Rufus
The problem with insisting now on the original rule that both parents must be citizens at the person's birth is that there have been exceptions which passed unchallenged at the time (Chester Arthur for VP and for President, Agnew for VP). The public seems to think that anyone born in the US is a "natural born citizen" so it's going to be hard for a few constitutional experts to set them straight.

Nice try, but apparently Agnew was NBC and the 1920 Census data was in error. While Arthur's status was not generally known. It was known or at least thought (correctly) that the was born in Vermont, It was also known that his mother was born in the US, and that his father had been here, or in Canada, for a good long time before his birht, and was a citizen at the time of his selection to VP. What was not known was that his father was not naturalized until well after Chester's birth(about 14 years afterwards) The latter fact was only recently unearthed.

Since "the public" did not know his status, how can you say they approved?

177 posted on 04/05/2010 3:09:28 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: rxsid
Looking at the comments at the link, and here on FR, the after-birthers are really getting desperate to show some precedence for a person with an alien father being eligible.

Even though, in the only verified case of someone with that status becoming (de facto) President, that status was not known to the public when he was elected (VP) and/or became (de facto) President.

Really, really desperate.

As if "public opinion in the late 1880s or the late 1960s/early 1970s has anything directly do with the original meaning of any term in the Constitution in the first place. It means what it meant when written and ratified. Nothing more, nothing less. That's the way written contracts and Constitutions are.

178 posted on 04/05/2010 3:23:13 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Signed up 4/3/2010. Made one post today, went off on a Freeper. The trolls sure are worried about that BC aren’t they?


179 posted on 04/05/2010 3:26:09 PM PDT by mojitojoe (I don't care what you passed. you are irrelevant. I'll NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: El Gato

It is amazing just how hard they are trying to show some precedent.

And yeah, “public opinion” during any period is not enough to change the Constitution in anyway, anyway.


180 posted on 04/05/2010 4:01:39 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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