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Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in 1789
puzo1.blogspot.com ^ | 4/2/2010 | Mario Apuzzo, Esq

Posted on 04/02/2010 2:13:33 PM PDT by rxsid

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To: plenipotentiary

I saw that and thought the same! Sour grapes.


61 posted on 04/02/2010 4:06:23 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: plenipotentiary
Your son will never be President, a US President has to have two US Citizen parents.

That doesn't appear to be the case, now does it?

62 posted on 04/02/2010 4:07:17 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Danae

Info Ping.


63 posted on 04/02/2010 4:13:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: plenipotentiary; All
Your son will never be President, a US President has to have two US Citizen parents. Get over it.

Drew will tell you that osama him self could come over here and get an American girl pregnant, take the kid back and raise him in a cave then send him over here and the kid would be eligible.....then defend the kid if he won the election

He also thinks the Founding Fathers sacrificed everything just so we could have a foreign POTUS...ask him.

64 posted on 04/02/2010 4:21:25 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: ASA Vet

for later reading


65 posted on 04/02/2010 4:25:12 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: onyx

Peaceful Good Friday, my FRiend .. ;)

And still praying and praying.


66 posted on 04/02/2010 4:27:21 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Red Steel

Here is one library of many which have copies:
http://mirlyn.lib.umich.edu/Record/002854451


67 posted on 04/02/2010 4:46:30 PM PDT by DurusHelm
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To: Red Steel

Congress would “clarify” the meaning of the phrase “natural born citizen” so that Obama would be included—anyone who had even one parent born in the US, no matter where the person himself or herself was born, would be considered a natural born citizen.


68 posted on 04/02/2010 4:50:12 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: All
Ramsay's "Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen of the United States" (1789)
can be found in in Apuzzo's letter to the court KERCHNER v OBAMA (APPEAL) - Letter Dated 4-2-10, beginning page 5.
69 posted on 04/02/2010 4:59:58 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Good.

Make it stick!


70 posted on 04/02/2010 5:07:10 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 435 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...
Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in 1789

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71 posted on 04/02/2010 5:08:59 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 435 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rxsid; All
As we've demonstrated here on FR many times, if you apply EITHER Vattel's Law of Nations (Natural Law) or Blackstone's Commentaries (Common Law) to define Obama's Eligibility in the eyes of the Framers, Obama loses either way.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


Vattel's Law of Nations (TWO Citizen Parents required)

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Blackstone's Commentaries ("service to two masters" a/k/a Dual Citizenship)
Obama Blackstone - Allegience is PERMANENT


72 posted on 04/02/2010 5:19:34 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: rxsid; All

As we've demonstrated here on FR many times, if you apply EITHER Vattel's Law of Nations (Natural Law) or Blackstone's Commentaries (Common Law) to define Obama's Eligibility in the eyes of the Framers, Obama loses either way.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


Vattel's Law of Nations (TWO Citizen Parents required)

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Blackstone's Commentaries ("service to two masters" a/k/a Dual Citizenship)
Obama Blackstone - Allegience is PERMANENT


73 posted on 04/02/2010 5:20:23 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: null and void

Thanks for the ping.


74 posted on 04/02/2010 5:25:04 PM PDT by GOPJ (Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!)
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To: GOPJ

The site pests seem to be in shock, no?


75 posted on 04/02/2010 5:31:09 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 435 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

“I think Congress would just quickly pass a law changing the rules so that Obama would qualify.”

Not quite. No law or statute can change the Constitution. Amending the Constitution is no easy feat.

“Article V of the Constitution spells out the processes by which amendments can be proposed and ratified.

“To propose an Amendment:

“•Two-thirds of both houses of Congress vote to propose an amendment, or

“•Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used.)

“To Ratify Amendments:

“•Three-fourths of the state legislatures approve it, or

“•Ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states approve it. This method has been used only once — to ratify the 21st Amendment — repealing Prohibition.

“The Supreme Court has stated that ratification must be within “some reasonable time after the proposal.” Beginning with the 18th amendment, it has been customary for Congress to set a definite period for ratification. In the case of the 18th, 20th, 21st, and 22nd amendments, the period set was 7 years, but there has been no determination as to just how long a “reasonable time” might extend.

“Of the thousands of proposals that have been made to amend the Constitution, only 33 obtained the necessary two-thirds vote in Congress. Of those 33, only 27 amendments (including the Bill of Rights) have been ratified.”

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/usconstitution/a/constamend.htm


76 posted on 04/02/2010 5:48:34 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Verginius Rufus
Congress would “clarify” the meaning of the phrase “natural born citizen” so that Obama would be included—anyone who had even one parent born in the US, no matter where the person himself or herself was born, would be considered a natural born citizen.

The meaning of the term 'Natural Born Citizen' is already perfectly clear. To change it would require two thirds of the state legislatures to ratify.

77 posted on 04/02/2010 5:48:49 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: BP2
Indeed correct. Now, if only a case with the "proper" plaintiff (with standing, particularized injury) can get before a court with the jurisdiction (that can offer a "remedy"), this is a slam dunk. Obviously, SCOTUS will need to rule on this. Perhaps with the recent District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) ruling, they've shown that they still (to this day) look back at the intent of the framers.

Barry is clearly not Constitutionally qualified as intended by the framers.

At issue now is...is ANYTHING he signed (laws, agreements with other nations, etc), or any appointment he made (ex. to the SCOTUS bench) Constitutional? Clearly, IMO, everything he's done...including the health care monstrosity is illegal and thus null and void.

78 posted on 04/02/2010 5:48:56 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: EDINVA

Just read you post....and I stand corrected. Three-fourths beats my two thirds.


79 posted on 04/02/2010 5:55:11 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Verginius Rufus
Congress has no authority to pass a law in contravention of provisions of the Constitution. Changes to the Constitution are permitted through amendment. There have been twenty four attempts to amend Article II Section 1 natural born citizenship, the last in 2003 by Orrin Hatch. Leo Donofrio (or his sister) found the naturalization documents of Arthur's father in 2008 (in spite of the Indiana Supreme Court's blatant lie that citizens knew it during his campaign for vice president and didn't consider it relevent). Chester Arthur's father was naturalized when Chester was fourteen years old. Chester knew he was a usurper and had most of his documents burned just before his death. He was very sick and knew the end was near.

Arthur may have had cover provided by a journalist, Hinman, who kept the public busy with rumors and a book suggesting that Chester had been born in Northern Ireland.

Arthur's only supreme court apointment, justice Horace Gray, may have known and wrote a naunced, and perhaps intentionally obtuse decision which suggested that there was uncertainty about natural born citizenship, while he referred to Minor v. Happersett, in which the Vattel definition is crystal clear. A careful reading of Wng Kim suggests that Gray clarified the fact that native and natural born citizenship are different. Wong Kim was determined to be a native (jus soli, born on the soil) and not a natural born citizen. But Obama obfuscators use Wong Kim as their authority that native and natural born cititzeship are equivalent. There was really no evidence that Chester Arthur was born in Ireland, but the question effectively silenced the more subtle question of his minister father's naturalization.

80 posted on 04/02/2010 5:55:26 PM PDT by Spaulding
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