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Beyond the Revolution: A History of American Thought from Paine to Pragmatism
Author: William H. Goetzmann
Publisher: PublicAffairs, 2009
ISBN: 0465004954, 9780465004959

"The Baron von Pufendorf's work, along with that of Locke, convinced Americans of the validity of natural law as early as 1717, when John Wise cited him as a primary authority." Pg. 31

"American legal thought, as it had done for more than one hundred years [from 1789], drew upon world legal thought--from Justinian, Samuel Pufendorf, Hugo Grotius, and Emmerich Vattel--as well as the English tradition from Sir Edward Coke and Edward Vaughn to Blackstone. As the Pennsylvania Law Journal of 1846 put it, Americans had none of "that prejudice against foreign systems of law, merely because they are foreign, which is all-powerful in England." Pg. 87

116 posted on 05/19/2010 2:47:34 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
You have presented a convincing thread that summed up basically says;

The founders were adamant and even underlined certain words that for the purpose of serving as President of the U.S. one must be born here in the US of parents who also were born here.

The new country America, was fresh from being ruled by a king of England and the last thing they would have wanted was parents of a potential potus who were not born in the U.S. and had other or dual citizenship. They made that plain and clear over and over.

Anyone who read your intro and then the first 7 posts will have a hard time arguing differently.

Since we are not allowed to view zeros long form we don't know if obama SR. is the true father or who the true mother is either.

He may well have been born of US parents for all we know. If so he lied to get into office making his Presidency even more null and void no matter what.

Your early documentation from Jay's writing to George Washington:

Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national govt. and to "declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born citizen.(the word born is underlined in Jay's letter which signifies the importance of allegiance from birth.)

Is it a stretch to infer that Jay meant that both parents should be of U.S. birth as well, considering the times, and our newly formed govt. giving us independence from Eng? Not hardly.

In the New Englander:

the term natural born citizen is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states.

This says it all. Intent was to have a potus of whom both parents were born "here".

John Bingham--who was the father of the 14th amendment:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the US of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is in the language of your constitution itself a natural born citizen.

Once again we have intent. Parents must be born here--how much does it take?

I love you summation as well;

The point is...the meaning of NBC has always been about being born in the sovereign territory of the US to 2 citizen parents(and those parents who do not owe allegiance to another foreign country.

Brilliant job rxsid!

IMHO to ignore the intent of a newly formed govt. that was seeking independence from a king, not to infer that both parents should be born here is naive and erroneous.

118 posted on 05/19/2010 4:29:37 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: rxsid; BP2; El Gato; patlin; Red Steel

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=kGg8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA441&dq=Reports+Edward+III&hl=en&ei=S470S_aQDI65rAe-n6ioDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=language&f=false

Language.


119 posted on 05/19/2010 6:28:36 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

Elements of international law: with a sketch of the history of the science
By Henry Wheaton

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=umued5KGUSAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Wheaton&as_brr=1&client=firefox-a&hl=en&cd=3#v=snippet&q=%20native%20born&f=false


128 posted on 05/20/2010 12:06:44 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

History of the law of nations in Europe and America: from the earliest times ...
By Henry Wheaton

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=lqgBAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=related:HARVARD32044011218310&as_brr=1&client=firefox-a&hl=en#v=snippet&q=citizen&f=false


129 posted on 05/20/2010 12:15:21 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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