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To: The Pack Knight
Ramsay’s definition does not seem consistent with what Madison said before the House of Representatives in 1789:

Check out post #37 and the link there. Madison's quote was regarding citizenship during the time of the Declaration of Independence.

91 posted on 05/15/2010 6:24:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Mr Rogers

Madison’s quote was regarding the birthright citizenship of William Loughton Smith, whose eligibility for the House of Representatives was disputed by his opponent in his election to the First Congress. Madison clearly states that Smith’s citizenship derives from birthright due to the place of his birth, and that because of that no other source need be consulted. That is quite inconsistent with the article David Ramsay authored.

Furthermore, the major objection Mr. Smith’s opponent made to his citizenship was the fact that Smith was absent from the United State from 1770 to 1783. That, of course, would mean Smith was not a citizen under the criteria put forth in David Ramsay’s article. The fact that Madison so emphatically asserted Smith’s citizenship shows that Madison disagreed with Ramsay’s views on citizenship.

And just who was Mr. Smith’s opponent? I was interested to learn that it was none other than David Ramsay! Ramsay wrote that article in support of his own argument that he should be seated in the First Congress because Smith was not a citizen. The First Congress disagreed with Ramsay.

David Ramsay’s views on citizenship were self-serving and were rejected by the members of the First Congress - and by none more emphatically than Madison, the primary draftsman of the Constitution. Ramsay’s views of citizenship were clearly not shared by his contemporaries, and thus his writings are no real evidence of the general understanding of the natural born citizen clause.

Any other evidence you’d care to put forth?


92 posted on 05/16/2010 10:14:48 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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